For what it's worth, Toure got absolutely roasted by EVERYONE in his comments for that awful video. Nobody agrees with him. The only sensible part of his video was where he understood the New Edition snub "because they were only black famous"
In regards to acts having to wait on the sidelines because people felt their own pet picks would lose an induction slot, Bad Company seems like the most egregious wait time. Once the Hall started inducting all of these classic and progressive rock snubs (most of them the very first time they hit the ballot), it felt like Bad Company was left waiting for years (perhaps, ugh, Foreigner too) because they were a guaranteed inductee. Boston might be facing the same problem. Phil Collins might have faced the same predicament and the committee only budged now in order to honor him before he dies. Likewise, perhaps Questlove's pointless obsession with inducting the marginal Chaka Khan as a Performer (definitely "black famous") may have very well kept Diana Ross off the ballot for years because he (and others) knew it would make it harder for Chaka.
One of these days, this is all going to blow up in the Nom Com's face when a bunch of them throw away votes on Henley or Sting and they end up inducted anyway. I've got them ranked as unlikely but plausible.
On the whole Billboard chart argument that is going around.
Saying as someone of a newer gen, I am being honest, historic sales and chart success no one cares about lol. Spotify listens marginally as an indicator and I will explain why.
The thing is there is something called payola which greatly alters what played on radio and ultimately what sold, as it was part of the advertisement from a label. You do not get top sales unless you are pushed hard by a major record label or you lucked into it. That level of sales, radio airplay, Billboard charts are based off what a record company pushed at the time to want you to hear.
Things are different now. Wide access to music means we can listen to close to everything that released and funnel out what is actually holding up and influential instead of guessing with it. Sales at the time are irrelevant, something that was good but was not a top performer can be huge now, while slop that was pushed but has no longevity after the marketing push is finished will die out.
Spotify has some relevance to it and be an indicator, but remember in the algorithm/botted world they are not an absolute since they can be fudged. Which again, might go into payola
The monoculture largely does not exist anymore, so how do you make criteria of who is Hall worthy? Other considerations will be taken now besides sales to do so. Influence, longevity, critical regard will eventually be the criteria for most
The committee is getting younger but the voters are not at the same speed. Even some of the voters from the 60s era are still here. Ultimately that leads to a trend where they are voting for the oldest acts on the ballot as they can most relate or actually know them the most. So we are in the era where any 60s/70s (pre-punk) era artist is a lock if on the ballot unless they are unelectable for various reasons, or without them the oldest acts get in, which are the 80s. Eventually the committee and voting base will get younger faces and this will go to the 90s, which is why Skyes says the next 5 years is for the 80s.
We are moving towards long-term critical regard and longevity as voting indicators, which does not always correlate with contemporary popularity and chart success. We are seeing the shift live. Iron Maidan and Jd/No who struggled a few years ago and might have been unelectable absolutely cleared the ballot with the changes. Wu-Tang Clan had a very similar resume to ATCQ, who took three tries not long ago. Wu-Tang Clan cleared the ballot the first time as a top three vote-getter. When is the last time an artist who had zero top 40 hits got inducted on their first try?
Omar got what I was going for. Acts like My Bloody Valentine and Cocteau Twins could very reasonably be nominated in the next 5 years, but they will not be inducted now. However, as the voting base gets younger these acts have a legit chance to get in as Performers in a decade. Not far different from how when Smiths and Replacements were nominated 10 years ago they had zero chance, but now is looking increasingly likely if they are nominated they can get in. Even someone like Jeff Buckley who probably was last place this year, in 10 years he is increasingly popular/influential with younger generations so he could actually make it as Performers surprisingly.
So Wu-Tang, Iron Maidan, Jd/No are a good look at what trends are happening and where things will go.
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