Wow this ballot is chaotic, there are a bunch of names on here that I wasn't expecting at all. Disturbed by the lack of New wave/post-punk bands, but happy with how Tribe seems to be positioned. More thoughts to come.

Posted by RG on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 10:27am

Now who was expected ATCQ to be the one returning artist lol

Posted by Guest on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 10:31am

This feels like a Disney influenced ballot

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 10:36am

Guest,

Actually I was.

Well, we see we have a new regime in the RRHOF. Lol

Of the ones I predicted returning, only ATCQ and MJB returned.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 10:37am

No new wave/post punk, too many pop related acts. Mariah Carey, Cher, Sade, Lenny, Mary on the same ballot. I think only Mariah and Cher are sure and others may be snubbed.

As for classic rocks, a lot of classic rock acts on the ballot. Foreigners and Peter and even Ozzy will split the votes.

No hip hop inductees likely. It is wild Tribe gets the third chance and nom com puts 2 "obscure" hip hop acts on the same ballot.

Posted by power on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 10:37am

My god foreigner is the wild card

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 10:39am

I will vote for Oasis, Sade, ATCQ, Kool and the Gang in fan vote, I am hesitating on the last spot. I do not know choose Jane's Addiction or Ozzy.

Posted by power on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 10:39am

Lenny and MJB are closer to rock and R&B respectively. I feel like this ballot is good for Ozzy (only other hard rockers are the niche Jane's Addiction), Oasis (no other 80s/90s British artists), and Foreigner/Frampton (two classic rock stars who don't really compete with anyone on the ballot)

Posted by More Than A Feeling on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 10:40am

Mariah, Cher and Foreigner are still the worst here lol so they'll be the ones getting in.

Bottom half of ballot is going to be better then who actually gets inducted as usual

Posted by Guest on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 10:41am

I'm voting for Sinéad, Sade, Kool and the Gang, Tribe and Jane's Addiction.

Posted by Elle Dee on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 10:42am

Wow!

Ten first time nominees without any first time eligible among them. Only two repeats from last year, and three comebacks from prior ballots. Very unusual ballot based on past results!

Also a big olive branch to the hard rock purists like Eddie Trunk, and it will do no good in satisfying them; they'll still just bitch about who isn't on the ballot, and the non hard rock artists that are.

I like this ballot, it's a change of pace.

Posted by Shrek on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 10:43am

Kool and the Gang have less friendly competition than the Spinners in last year, lots of classic rock acts in the same era.

Posted by power on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 10:43am

MTAF HOF 2024 predictions if 7 inductees

Mariah Carey

Cher

Ozzy Osbourne

Foreigner

Oasis

Peter Frampton

Mary J Blige

Posted by More Than A Feeling on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 10:44am

My fan vote will be

Sade

Jane's addiction

Eric b and Rakim

Oasis

Mary J

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 10:45am

Y'all, you can vote for seven people instead of five on the fan vote!

Posted by Elle Dee on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 10:45am

Mary J Blige is not safe, she will face competition with Mariah Carey, Sade, Lenny and to some extent Kool & the Gang, I think she will fail

Posted by power on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 10:46am

MTAF fan vote picks

Mariah Carey

Peter Frampton

Foreigner

Rakim

Ozzy Osbourne

Posted by More Than A Feeling on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 10:46am

May change but these are the 7 currently leading the RRHOF fan vote this year:
Ozzy Osbourne
Foreigner
Cher
Peter Frampton
Lenny Kravitz (wow)
Kool & the Gang
Jane's Addiction

Not surprisingly the hip-hop acts are the lowest voted, followed by MJB.

Sade (I'm guessing the band, right?) next. Surprisingly, DMB pretty low. Mariah and Oasis were tied and Sinead is below them.

This is gonna be unexpected.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 10:52am

I'm actually feeling very good about Tribe on this ballot. They are the "A" Hip Hop nominee this year after being the "B" nominee for their first two rounds. Their other biggest competition for votes will be Mary J Blige, but she also has the drawback of competing for votes with Mariah. So I think there's a world where a lot of the Hip Hop vote coalesces around ATCQ.

Posted by RG on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 10:53am

I will vote for Oasis, Sade, ATCQ, Kool and the Gang, Ozzy, Foreigner and Janes Addiction in fan vote,

Posted by power on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 10:55am

Judging off this list, my initial picks for 2024 inductees are:
Kool & the Gang
Cher
Ozzy Osbourne
Foreigner
Lenny Kravitz
Sinead O'Connor
A Tribe Called Quest

This may change but this is who I'm currently predicting (I want MJB in but I think she's gonna have a hard time since her vote would likely be split between Mariah and Sade as the top R&B pick). Kool & the Gang (funk) and Foreigner (hard rock) have nothing standing in their way of getting in.

I think Sinead could get in but Sade might give her a fight.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 10:57am

Timothy,

Mariah is a lock in my opinion. 19 number one hits speaks for itself. I could also see Frampton getting a lot of the Boomer "rock elitist" vote. Like the average old school voter ballot would be something like Foreigner, Cher, Ozzy, Frampton, Kool, Lenny, and Oasis. Frampton also fits the niche of "how the heck is he/she not in?" which the Hall loves filling whenever possible

Posted by More Than A Feeling on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 11:00am

MTAF,

I won't argue with you about Mariah's chances. I might even change my picks later. She just moved into the final 7th vote.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 11:01am

Pretty blah lineup overallbut I will vote Sinead, Kool and the Gang, Sade, Ozzy, Frampton, and Oasis.

Disappointed that no English post punk or new wave made a return slot

Posted by jayfkay on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 11:02am

Oasis is the only really essential nominee for me, out of the others Mariah Carey, Ozzy Osbourne, Eric B. & Rakim and A Tribe Called Quest would also be worthy. I would have liked to see Coldplay, Outkast, The Smiths and Joy Division/New Order nominated, they along with Oasis are the 5 biggest snubs IMO.

Posted by Corey Finn on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 11:03am

My initial prediction:

Cher (needless to say)
Mariah Carey
Oasis (no real competition)
Ozzy Osbourne
Kool and the Gang (not that sure, lots of competition from baby boomer era acts)
Foreigner (not that sure, more influential than Frampton)

I am not sure about the 7th.

As for Tribe, I do not think Tribe are way more superior than Eric B & Rakim, they will split votes rather than Tribe grabbing most of votes from EBAR.

The nomination of Foreigner makes me think that Boston will also be nominated in the future.

I think in this year, the real voters can also vote for 7 nominees instead of 5.

Posted by power on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 11:06am

Whatever committee members voted for Sade and Lenny Kravitz (who I'm not a fan of personally but still), you're the ones who understand who needed to be nominated to prove Jann wrong and I appreciate that, you made this acceptable in that regard

Also Foreigner is easily the "Screw Jann" pick this year if you ever read his comments, Frampton might be also as some rumors have said

Posted by Guest on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 11:06am

I think voting for 7 is an important turn for rrhof. It is likely rrhof will have at least 7 and possibly 8-9 performer inductees in each year.

Posted by power on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 11:09am

Only ATCQ returning can not indicate anything about the voting result in last year. Lauper and Zevon I think both have better performance than ATCQ but both are absent in 2024. We do not know how Tribe finished last year, we can only know EBAR and ATCQ are in the highest priority in hip hop line for nom com.

Posted by power on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 11:11am

RG,

Fully agree, Tribe has a way greater chance then people are giving them. I've said before but in the prior two years they had insanely tough "A" list rappers with Eminem and Missy being FYE inductees, and their focus is more critically then commercially so they weren't going to get in over the star power.

This year EB&R is about equal footing, if not Tribe being ahead, and there's a lot of voters who vote rap or want a rap artist in every year, so they will be getting increased focused with the new voterbase.

They might not be making it, but do not be surprised if they do. Spinners and Rage did last year out of nowhere and Tribe could for sure with this group

Posted by Guest on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 11:13am

The seven nominees I voted for (and will keep voting for) in the fan vote:

Sinéad
Sade
Cher
Jane's Addiction
Tribe
Kool and the Gang
Oasis

Posted by Elle Dee on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 11:19am

Tribe have a better chance but they are far from guaranteed to get in. I'd say they're probably 10th or 11th on the ballot

They could upset but in 75% of simulations they don't get in

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 11:19am

Anybody else feel that the inductee classes are getting harder and harder to predict? I mean, there are what, 2-3 locks on a possible inductee class of 7?

Posted by Guest2 on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 11:21am

Surprised Kelly hansen isn't nominated with foreigner.

Kinda surprised Zak Starkey isn't with oasis

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 11:21am

Paul McGuigan and Alan White should be nominated with Oasis.

Posted by Guest2 on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 11:24am

Guest2,

I'm like 75% sure that was a mistype by them, they mention the two in the bio but then not in the inductees? Seems they messed up somewhere

Posted by Guest on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 11:26am

How does everyone feel about Lenny Kravitz's chances? He has the industry connections. He also inducted Lionel Richie but does he have any momentum behind him right now?

Posted by Guest2 on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 11:32am

As of this moment,

Mariah
Cher
Oasis
Ozzy
Sade
Kool and the Gang

I just have a hard time coming up with realistic options of who to put in. Lenny is deserving at some point, and Jane's Addiction I feel is out of turn before the new wave bands.

The hall gets a major ding for not bringing back Cyndi and joy division/new order. This ballot is a hybrid of who's who and rocking popularity acts without any real direction.

I do especially like sade, Kool, Mariah and oasis' inclusions though. I dont see them all having much chance in the popular vote

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 11:33am

lenny has a ton of competition from pop, rnb and rock. I do not see him inducted in this year

Posted by power on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 11:35am

its really funny that ian mcdonald might get in with foreigner before king crimson

Posted by will m on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 11:36am

theres no FYEs this year also

Posted by will m on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 11:39am

Anyone else feel like the Sinead nom is tacky and moz was right about this?

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 11:42am

mat r,

yes defintiely. its not new tho, the new york dolls 2021 return was certainly influenced by the passing of sylvain sylvain

Posted by will m on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 11:46am

no announcement vadio.

I love the previous announcement videos by Greg Harris including music of all nominees.

Posted by power on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 11:49am

I like to think last year's Kate Bush nom wasn't just about the Stranger Things tie-in because she is indeed worthy.

Sinead feels like it was shoehorned in because she just passed and the Hall picked this one time out of hundreds to get a sympathy vote. If that's the case, Jimmy Buffett would've made far more sense.

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 11:49am

also Billy Joel is friends w Mick Jones and Frampton, hes voting for them.

Posted by will m on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 11:51am

power,

i agree. i love the greg harris videos. ive got no idea why theyre missing this year and for last years inductees

Posted by will m on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 11:54am

K-Dawg,

I think Kate Bush was most respected British act on the ballot and she may obtain most of british votes last year to make her in.

Sinead may be inducted, I think she is beloved by both old rockers and younger acts. Likes of Dylan, Roger Waters, Kate Bush, U2, REM, will all vote for her.

Posted by power on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 11:54am

Will M,

Ian McDonald makes me want Foreigner even more. Getting a Crimson member into the Hall is an added bonus for them. With that alone I want them like twice as much as before lol

Posted by More Than A Feeling on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 11:55am

I'm going to do an act-by-act analysis in the coming days to explain my thoughts about each candidate and their worthiness.

Briefly, Foreigner is a mixed bag. They put all these rock acts on the list, and the 2 most deserving at tis point, Bad Company and the Monkees AKA Wing and a Prayer, are snubbed yet again.

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 11:58am

It is disgusting that many of nominees are friendly with hall. If you do not engage in rrhof's activity, you are less likely to be nominated

Posted by power on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 12:01pm

Power,

The only three acts that aren't very friendly with the Hall/media are Cher (publicly criticized them), Foreigner (one of many acts Wenner prevented from getting in), and Sinead (who is dead)

Posted by More Than A Feeling on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 12:03pm

Will m

Sure but the dolls and Donna summers had a track record of prior nods. Sinead doesn't.

And yea way too many hall friendly people on the ballot this year.

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 12:04pm

Classic rock and old school rnb are not dead. I expect nomination of Boston, War, Barry White in the future

Posted by power on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 12:06pm

NGL going to kinda agree the only reason I'd want to see Foreigner in because that means Ian McDonald is in given they won't even nominate King Crimson. Otherwise they are entirely buttrock the likes of Bon Jovi

Posted by Guest on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 12:07pm

I think that this is the first year since 2019 that I don't think that there will be a Rap/Hip-Hop act inducted as neither Eric B. & Rakim or A Tribe Called Quest are big enough Rap/Hip-Hop acts to get in over bigger names on the ballot. I feel like all of Rap/Hip-Hop's biggest acts (Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five, Run DMC, The Beastie Boys, Public Enemy, N.W.A., Tupac Shakur, The Notorious B.I.G., Jay-Z, LL Cool J, Eminem and Missy Elliott) are in now. so I think that the only Rap/Hip-Hop acts that would get in easily now would be OutKast, Salt-N-Pepa, Snoop Dogg, Dr. Dre, Lauryn Hill, 50 Cent and Lil' Wayne because all of them have had major mainstream commercial success to get in easily.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 12:14pm

Makes me wonder if Mariah and Foreigner are going to get inducted this year simply because voters want to see them perform "I Want to Know What Love Is" together. Mariah released a cover of the song 15 years ago and it was a minor hit.

Posted by Elle Dee on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 12:16pm

Foreigner is on the same level with The Doobie Brothers, they are both suitable but not exceptional rock hall inductees.

Honestly speaking, I think any of JD/NO, Soundgarden, Maiden, White Stripes, Zevon, Lauper have more legacy than most nominees in this year.

Posted by power on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 12:21pm

Bizarre list!
So glad Kate Bush got in last year, so I won't be too hard on the Hall in the future....
Glad to see Sade, Kool and the Gang, and Oasis.
Do not think Sinead O'Connor deserves to be nominated, this just threw me for a loop, I do think The Lion and the Cobra is the best debut album of any female artist, yet to throw in someone who joins a religion that kills gay people is unsettling to me, can not look at her the same way again.

Posted by Donaldo on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 12:22pm

I think Bjork, Tori, PJ and Fiona all have better resume and influence than Sinead in music. However, the spirit, and story of Sinead, is very powerful, attractive and yes influential, makes her a suitable nominee.

Posted by power on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 12:23pm

Will m

Sure but the dolls and Donna summers had a track record of prior nods. Sinead doesn't.

And yea way too many hall friendly people on the ballot this year.

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 12:24pm

In light of Ozzy, foreigner, and Frampton, are we comfortable saying the hall caved to the boomers?

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 12:26pm

Generally a weak ballot, Sinead, Lenny, Peter Frampton are all marginal for RRHOF. So many borderline acts.

Posted by trea on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 12:26pm

Remember, you'll always be fast-tracked into induction if you play ball with the Rock Hall. It worked with Sheryl Crow. It worked for Dave Grohl.

Posted by Guest2 on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 12:28pm

I am glad that Kate Bush was voted in last year, if she is on this year's ballot, she has 0 chance.

Posted by trea on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 12:30pm

Trea

Soft agree. They're all worthy but there's so many acts ahead to them.

Sinead over Chapman feels very weird

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 12:32pm

Anybody notice that rap and hip-hop are always dead last when it comes to the fan vote? The only exception to the rule is Eminem.

Posted by Guest2 on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 12:33pm

Kate Bush was inducted at the right time. If she failed last time, she would be doomed to side category status.

Posted by Guest2 on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 12:34pm

I am afraid that post punk/new wave will be forever snubbed. The B-52's, JD/NO, Devo, INXS, the Replacements, the Smiths, Pixies, Sonic Youth, they are all very very deserving.

Posted by power on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 12:36pm

NO new wave? WTF
This is the most commercial list possible. Thought Outkast was a lock since Big Boi inducted Kate last year. I see no excitement its all middle of the road. Nothing cutting edge, not even a country icon. It's just people like Billy Joel and others getting acts that they think paid their dues nominated. I would have thought Anita Baker would have been a wild card nominee, but nope.
Jann Wenner was right in some ways, now they are only throwing in people who sell records and sell out stadiums.

Posted by Bruce BOSSton on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 12:40pm

But yes, it may be right to pull most of the nominees in last year off, because JD/NO, Cyndi, Zevon, Soundgarden, Maiden and White Stripes, all of them do not have a chance on this year's ballot.

Posted by power on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 12:41pm

Power,

Idk about the rest but after 3 DEVO noms I can see them getting shafted in a side category, but I'm more confident in that for MC5 and Shangri Las which I think are garunteed

Posted by Will M on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 12:42pm

Power,

Idk about the rest but after 3 DEVO noms I can see them getting shafted in a side category, but I'm more confident in that for MC5 and Shangri Las which I think are garunteed

Posted by Will M on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 12:42pm

Reading all these comments so many are about Kate Bush, it tells you how bad this years nominees are when people are talking about someone from last year who didnt even show up. (I love Kate by the way, just showing her induction from a year ago is more exciting than this list).

Posted by Bruce BOSSton on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 12:43pm

I know it's too early (way too early), but I'm going to have some fun and predict who I think will get inducted based on last year's class:

Sinéad - alternative category (taking Kate spot)

Kool and the Gang - old school r&b (taking The Spinners' spot)

Cher - legend status category (taking Willie's spot)

Mariah Carey - pop category (taking George's spot)

Ozzy Osbourne - hard rock / heavy metal category (taking RATM's spot)

Dave Matthews Band - singer/songwriter category (Sheryl's spot)

A Tribe Called Quest - hip hop (taking Missy's spot)

I think some people here are underestimating Tribe's chances because they're more critically acclaimed than commercially successful. But this is their third nomination and I think they're getting in this time.

Posted by Elle Dee on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 12:45pm

The quality of nominees this year is much worse than last year.

I think nom com will push Tribe and EBAR constantly until they are in and other hip hop acts may wait forever.

Posted by power on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 12:45pm

Post punk/new wave's issue is as the nomination list and criteria becomes more commercialized and based on number of sales those artists, far more known for critical success and influence then sales, there isn't a place for them unless they are major crossover artists.

They are the casualty to the idea that the hall should be for the Mariahs and other best sellers of the world as the only criteria outside being in the in-crowd for induction

Posted by Guest on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 12:46pm

I think Dave Matthews Band almost have no chance. A ton of classic rock acts will steal the votes from DMB plus DMB will also face competition from Janes Addiction and Lenny and some extent Oasis. No clear path for DMB.

Posted by power on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 12:47pm

The nominees with worst commercial performance are Eric B. & Rakim, Jane's Addiction and A Tribe Called Quest. They both have platinum albums without hit single. The list is too commercial.

Posted by power on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 12:50pm

I would probably give this 2024 RRHOF ballot an A- honestly. Good diversity in artists selected. Black, white, female artists. Not a lot of dead weight in the 15 artists nominated. I would believe Cher and Mariah Carey are two of the locks. I had listed Ozzy Osbourne a few times on my lists but he was not on my Final List. He's a real Wild Card and can draw votes from most of the rock and metal artists. Finally for Kool & The Gang!!! I have been a champion for their cause for several years now. They should have a good chance for Induction as The Spinners were inducted last year. Foreigner should vacuum up most of the hard rock votes. They had plenty of platinum albums and I think are deserving. Gramm & Jones are respected as well as some of the great musicians who were in the band. Dave Matthews Band is back meaning they could win the FAN VOTE again. My Lenny Kravitz pick finally has paid dividends. I think he could be inducted. He's a very respected musician. He has made some Classic songs: Are You Gonna Go My Way, Fly, Again, Heaven Help, It's Not Over Til It's Over etc. There have been some great music artists pass away recently. They did select 1 in Sinead O'Connor. I don't think she will be inducted this time. Maybe, Enigmaticus will be smoked out since Sade was nominated. He was a champion for her Nomination and Induction. I think he also liked Mariah Carey as well. I was surprised Iron Maiden or Soundgarden did not return. Hoping 1 would be inducted to break the logjam. I also was hoping for Diana Ross and Phil Collins as 2x Inductees. Won't happen this cycle. Cher fulfills the Legend or Icon that has occurred last few years with Dolly Parton & Willie Nelson induction.
A Quick 7 Inductees.
1. Mariah Carey (Lock)
2. Cher (Lock)
3. Kool & The Gang
4. Ozzy Osbourne
5. Lenny Kravitz
6. Foreigner
7. Peter Frampton
Should be a great list whatever combination is inducted. Will await Roy's great possible combinations of Inductees.
KING

Posted by KING on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 13:04pm

If you are a classic rock lover, this class is good. Otherwise, you will feel the nominee class is too mediocre. Peter is the the worst nominee on this ballot

Posted by Trea on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 13:08pm

My prediction for inductees:
Cher
Mariah Carey
Ozzy
Foreigners
Kool and the Gang
Oasis
Peter Frampton

Posted by power on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 13:14pm

The class will be

Cher
Mariah Carey
Ozzy Osbourne
Foreigner
Dave Matthews Band (they won't want egg on their faces again)
Kool and the Gang
Oasis

Eric B and Rakim will get influence

Posted by Mat e on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 13:17pm

Even big alternative acts likes of Nine Inch Nails, the Cure and Depeche Mode may not be inducted if they are nominated in this year

Posted by power on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 13:25pm

Was Tears for Fears left off the list by mistake?
Bjork?
The Smiths?
Not happy at all.

Posted by Anja on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 13:29pm

I do not see any nominee this year being forced into a side category, the most had 2 prior nominations and majority this is the first one so I don't think anyone is in the danger zone until around 5.

One thing I do think though is this is realistically the only year Sinead can make it, if the death recency and attention boost and the pop-oriented voting group can't get her in now against the out of style rock she is never making it in later years.

Posted by Guest on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 13:35pm

Guest

Eric b and Rakim are considered super foundational to modern rap. If neither they nor tribe, or mary j get in a rap act is going on a side category.

Also only having 2 nods doesn't mean they won't do it. See Wanda Jackson and sister rosetta

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 13:39pm

If you treat PF, Zeppelin as first tier classic rock acts, Chicago, Doobie Brothers as second tier, Foreigner are on second tier but Peter Frampton is on the third tier

Posted by power on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 13:40pm

If you treat PF, Zeppelin as first tier classic rock acts, Chicago, Doobie Brothers as second tier, Foreigner are on second tier but Peter Frampton is on the third tier

Posted by power on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 13:40pm

Will get in:

Cher
Mariah Carey
Tribe
Kool & The Gang
Oasis
Ozzy Osbourne

50/50:

Dave Matthews Band
Jane's Addiction
Peter Frampton
Mary J. Blige

Won't get inducted:

Lenny Kravitz
Sinead O'Connor
Sade
Foreigner
Eric B & Rakim

Side honorees: Devo, MC5, John Coltrane, J. Geils Band, Tom Wilson, Big Mama Thornton, Rick Rubin

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 13:41pm

Cher and Mariah Carey, really! If these two were nominated, then can someone explain to me why Connie Francis has been snubbed all these years. What qualification does she lack?Ee

Posted by Steve Sauser on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 13:44pm

guest

Next month is a tribute concert celebrating her and Shane MacGowan's music at Carnegie Hall. I'm the concert will continue to remind people (*cough cough* voters) how beloved of an artist Sinéad was.

Posted by Elle Dee on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 13:44pm

The fan vote leaders right now:
1.) Ozzy (I think he's a lock)
2.) Foreigner (another lock)
3.) Peter Frampton (maybe a lock, maybe not)
4.) Cher (she's a lock)
5.) Dave Matthews Band (honestly don't know BUT I would love for them to get in just so they can remove that stigma of winning the fan vote and losing the induction in 2020)
6.) Lenny Kravitz (could go in)
7.) Kool & the Gang (could go in)

First time the RRHOF has allowed people to vote for 7 inductees, instead of 5, so this changes the trajectory altogether. No sense in putting just five votes when they've been going with longer classes again since 2019.

The induction announcement is now expected earlier too (April).

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 13:45pm

guest

Next month is a tribute concert celebrating her and Shane MacGowan's music at Carnegie Hall. I'm sure the concert will continue to remind people (*cough cough* voters) how beloved of an artist Sinéad was.

Posted by Elle Dee on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 13:46pm

i am really confident in tribe this year. they are a far bigger name than eric b and rakim and theyll take that hip hop slot. i think most rap inductees will vote for both but many various voters will pick tribe over eric b/rakim.

as the "queen of hip hop soul", mary j blige faces steep competetion on both fronts and i think she wont win out.

Posted by will m on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 13:59pm

In all honesty, the reason why Foreigner & Peter Frampton are nominated because rock fans wanted more classic acts from the 70's inducted as they're against rappers & country stars getting honored too. I mean don't get me wrong, they're not bad or anything while they had their moments in the sun. However they don't have the legacy star power as most honorees including Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, Elton John, David Bowie, Velvet Underground, The Stooges, Joni Mitchell, Neil Young, Bruce Springsteen, Ramones, The Clash, Sex Pistols, Black Sabbath, U2, Nirvana & Radiohead already had. With said, Frampton could be inducted through Musical Excellence while Foreigner will be the last band from the aforementioned era on the ballot.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 14:00pm

Elle dee

Problem is good chance after nothing compares to you (a cover) no one will know a song.

I exaggerate but this is a hard ballot for an artist like her.

Also I think some people are sleeping on foreigner cause this is a populist ballot of there ever was one they're one of the big five on it in terms of profile. Industry types and classic rock voters are likely to seriously consider them

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 14:03pm

My predictions:

Mariah Carey
Cher
Foreigner
Peter Frampton
Kool & The Gang
Ozzy Osbourne

7th spot is between Mary J. Blige, Dave Matthews Band and Lenny Kravitz.

As much as I love Oasis, I just have a really hard time seeing them get in on their first try especially if Radiohead took two tries to get in, so I see Oasis doing the same.

As much as I love Sinead O'Connor, I just have a really hard time seeing her get in on her first try especially if Kate Bush took four tries to get in, so I possibly see Sinead doing the same.

Sade and Jane's Addiction have no chance.

I think that this is the first year since 2019 that there won't be a Rap/Hip-Hop act inducted as neither Tribe or Eric B. & Rakim are big enough Rap/Hip-Hop acts to get in over the bigger names on the ballot. so they have no chance as well.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 14:04pm

Jordan Einstein,

I could see Bad Company in the next couple years but yeah not many clear classic rock acts left. Boston and Jethro Tull could if they get nominated very soon and have a favorable ballot

Posted by More Than A Feeling on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 14:05pm

Okay so here's my initial thought process for predictions.

If we have learned anything from the last few years, Cher and Mariah Carey are in. Mark it now.

I think the one-two of Cher and Mariah will draw votes away from Sade and Mary J, so they won't get in this year.

11 left on the board. Ozzy Osbourne seems like a decent bet. The voting body isn't super friendly to metal, but I think Ozzy's crossover public icon status will transcend that, so he's in.

As far as hip-hop goes, I actually feel very good about Tribe's chances. They are the "A" hip-hop nominee and not the "B" like they were in the last two years. Plus they are the one returning artist from the last two ballots, which bodes well for how close the came previously. For that reason, Eric B & Rakim are probably out.

A bunch of 90s acts in the mix. Oasis feels like the most "important", while DMB will get a bunch of popular support. I don't think Jane's Addiction or Lenny Kravitz will have the votes. I'll put Oasis in.

That leaves Kool & The Gang & Sinead O'Connor. Both feel like bubble picks for me.

Inductees:
Cher
Mariah Carey
Ozzy Osbourne
Oasis
A Tribe Called Quest
Foreigner

and one of:
Dave Matthews Band
Kool & The Gang
Sinead O'Connor

Posted by RG on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 14:06pm

mat r

You can make the same argument with Warren Zevon and Devo (both of whom I don't view as one hit wonders).

Let me ask you this: When you think of Amy Winehouse, do you automatically think of her biggest American hit song "Rehab" or her other fan favorite songs like "Valerie", "Tears Dry on Their Own", etc.?

Posted by Elle Dee on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 14:11pm

Elle dee

Fully agree about Devo and Zevon

With Amy Winehouse it's by the time I'm out the door you're tearing men down like Roger Moore.

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 14:23pm

I guessed 20% of this year's nominees, down from 35.29% a year ago.

Correct guesses:

Dave Matthews Band
Foreigner
Peter Frampton

2024 predictions:

Cher
Dave Matthews Band
Foreigner
Mariah Carey
Oasis
Peter Frampton
Sinead O'Connor

If 8:
Ozzy Osbourne

Other Categories

Influence:
MC5
Patsy Cline

Non-Performer:
Estelle Axton
Rick Rubin

Musical Excellence:
Diana Ross
Dr. Dre

Lifetime Achievement:
Dionne Warwick

Posted by dmg on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 14:24pm

elle dee, mat r

sinead isnt very comparable to devo but shes got a lot in common with zevon. i think shes most likely facing off against oasis lenny and janes, nobodys choosing between her and mariah or cher.

Just like zevon shes got one massive song but is mostly a cult artist with extremly acclaimed work and many famous fans. neither are one hit wonders. Sinead is actually more famous than zevon cause of her non musical pope ripping event. ill be real, idk any of her songs other than nothing compares, but the pope ripping is such a signifcant event that shes mainly known for that. she is undoubtedly worthy for that alone, but ill wager her music is probably really good

Posted by will m on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 14:26pm

I have always defended the Rock Hall. I have never had an issue with them inducting artists from country music, hip-hop, rap or pop. Rock is an all encompassing genre that cannot be pigeonholed into "4 white guys playing guitars" that I always feel the whiny critics try to complain about. But I am slowly turning into one of those whiny critics. I think this list is awful. It is great to finally see Peter Frampton. And good to see Kool & The Gang and Oasis. Should be Sonny and Cher - not just Cher. I can envision Sonny Bono and Bob Welch sitting in a bar right now drinking and lamenting that they are 2 of the most egregious rock snubs. But the rest of this list is disappointing. No slight on the talent of Sade - but worthy of the Rock Hall? Where is Warren Zevon? Cyndi Lauper? Iron Maiden? Soundgarden? Devo? The B-52's? The J. Geils Band? King Crimson? Jethro Tull? And early influences like Big Mama Thornton? Johnny Burnette and his Rock And Roll Trio? Screamin' Jay Hawkins? And a few more while I am on a roll - John Coltrane - Weird Al Yankovic - Nick Drake - Joe Cocker - Mary Wells - Johnny Ace - and yes - The Monkees.

Posted by Ken on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 14:29pm

I do think there's a new trend that I call the fear of backdoor. Namely unless the voters are 100% never voting you in (Chic and MC5), if you start getting in the upper realms of nominations more will vote for you in fear of it being the "last chance" of voting for them before being forced into a side category like they made an example with for LL Cool J, Kraftwerk, Judas Preist. Last year we saw this with the 4-5 prior nomination group: Kate Bush, Rage, Spinners. Everyone else had 2 or lower and all three of the 4-5 prior nomination group got in that year.

This year because there's so many new artists the only one with more then two is ATCQ with three. I'm interested to see if this is a number that will cause this effect or only when they get to 4-5, since that isn't really in that high of the realms just yet. The strongest thing for them this year is lack of a major rap competitor brand name

Posted by Guest on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 14:33pm

Sonny Bono is the opposite of Sinead - If the Pope ripping accident is so rock that it gets her a nod, Sonny forcing copyright extensions for 20+ years and preventing preservation of art by the people so corporations can profit on dead people's work, and even wanting copyright to be indefinite "minus one day", is so unrock and trashy that he deserves to be barred from ever being inducted

Posted by Guest on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 14:38pm

speaking of backdoors, i think the noticable lack of country after 2 country years in a row, gram parsons or conway twitty could be getting the backdoor this year i feel

Posted by will m on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 14:43pm

I was hoping that, if Ozzy Osbourne was nominated, it would be as a band instead of just the man himself. With Randy Rhoads now in with the Musical Excellence award, it was sadly predictable that they would not.

Posted by dmg on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 14:43pm

Meh.

One of the weaker nominee lists that I have seen. There's no one on this list that I'm actually excited about voting for, as I would be for say, Joy Division/New Order, the B-52's, John Prine, Ian Hunter, Bad Company, the Monkees, Outkast, or Cyndi Lauper.

Surprised at the omission of Cyndi, who I thought would be a lock for nomination and induction.

My impression of the only lock on this list is Foreigner with Kool and the Gang being close to a lock. Foreigner has no real competition in the classic rock genre. I don't think Ozzy or Frampton will pull enough votes away from Foreigner so they're this years Steve Miller Band.

If you would have told me last year that Foreigner would be one of the acts that I would actually vote for next year, I would have laughed, but here we are.

My picks from this list:

Foreigner
A Tribe Called Quest
Kool and the Gang
Oasis
Sinead O'Connor
Sade
Peter Frampton

Posted by Eric Tompkins on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 14:55pm

Country could get a backdoor this year, though the prior two years it appeared more wanting to get artists for their celebrity icon status more then having a country nominee so not sure.

Rap will get one if neither nominee makes it, but it will not be either nominee unless they perform exceptionally poor. Also that will make them bring out Snoop or Dre for the next year given the lack of obvious FYN for quite a while (none until Kanye but lol it's Kanye his chances have dropped hard) if they can't get it done without the star power.

Posted by Guest on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 14:55pm

The lineup chosen for Oasis is weird. They go with their lineup from Standing on the Shoulders of Giants through Dig Out Your Soul and their breakup and Tony McCarrol who was fired in 1995 and never played with Andy Bell or Gem Archer. They should've gone with their lineup when they were at their peak which would be from 1995 to 1998 which would be Noel and Liam Gallagher, Paul (Bonehead) Arthurs, Paul (Guigsy) McGuigan and Alan White. This would be the albums (What's the Story) Morning Glory? and Be Here Now and their hits Wonderwall, Don't Look Back in Anger, Champagne Supernova and Stand by Me.

Posted by David. K on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 15:02pm

David K,

The Rock Hall has changed nominated members before to add more people after the original announcement (like with NIN originally only being Trent Reznor). I wouldn't be surprised if those three are added later

Posted by More Than A Feeling on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 15:08pm

Everything is coming up Ozzy

https://thehardtimes.net/music/old-man-who-doesnt-like-rap-song-somehow-on-right-side-of-history/?fbclid=IwAR2PR2Jtlr09xdcjOipXzsUDBUOfFsajWFR2FyC4uFzdh75BDQvXx-Zs9k8

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 15:39pm

Greg F,

Which 7 acts do you think will get in this year?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 15:59pm

I put Devo on my prediction list, but I felt the best move for the Hall would be to keep them off the ballot as I think they're going to get inducted this year anyways under the Musical Excellence category.

The first year the special categories were expanded, the main criticism was that they didn't include any women. The second year they corrected their mistake, but the criticism moved to how they were taking artists from the ballot who didn't get voted in that year and giving them Musical Excellence. It kind of influences your vote if you think an act is just going to get in that year without your help. So last year, Chaka Khan didn't appear on the ballot, and we had the smallest ballot in over a decade. I greatly suspect they removed Chaka from the ballot or were told not to nominate her as the sub-committee would be choosing her for Musical Excellence.

This year we have no new wave acts nominated. I believe that's because at the start of their meeting, that Musical Excellence sub-committee told them they were going to choose Devo because of Cleveland. If this is the case, I am perfectly fine with it. It helps clear up the backlog, gives another artist a spot on the ballot, and ensures that a deserving act will show up at the ceremony and bring it like LL Cool J, Judas Priest, and Chaka Khan did. I'm somewhat hoping they give Chic a Musical Influence spot to correct the error of just inducting Nile Rodgers.

Posted by Mr J on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 16:05pm

My picks for the fan vote:

Mariah Carey
Cher
Eric B. & Rakim
Sinéad O'Conner
Oasis
Sade
A Tribe Called Quest

Yeah, this a very had one to predict, but the fact that ATCQ called in for a third time in a row shows that they were that close to the final 7 in 2022 and 2023 that I really hope they get in this year. And with their strong showings on the ballot tracker, it means the critics really love them (and not just critics who specialized in Hip Hop)

Posted by John R.C. on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 16:14pm

I just want to say the return of Tribe does not show any outcome of 2023 voting result. Cyndi and Warren both "did fine" according to little steven and John skyes but they do not return. It can only show that ebar abd tribe are two hip hop acts the nom com wants most. Nom com had a history in insisting trying for the same hip hop pick until inducted, see NWA and LL Cool J and I think they will nominate these two acts again and again until they are in

Posted by power on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 16:22pm

I can see Devo being ME and it would explain no real bands from that era being nominated but it would be a very bad call. They only had three nominations so far and unless they are placing actual last place each time there should be a rule that they get at least 5 swings at the bat before being potentially sidedoored in. It'll look dumb just like Judas Preist and make it seem like a whole lot of rock artists have zero shot.

Now MC5? That band is 100% getting ME this year

Posted by Guest on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 16:24pm

Also, it is a smart move by nom com to pull all of Zevon, Lauper, White Stripes, Soundgarden, JDNO and maiden off the ballot because any of them will not have any chance on this ballot.

Based on the low ticket sales for induction ceremony in 2023, the hall is urgent to please baby boomer audience, so they nominate a ton of baby boomer era acts. This is a class designed for baby boomers. They may have orgasmed directly when they saw Peter Frampton, Ozzy, and Foreigner and the tickets will sell out very soon.

I do know if this kind of nominee class will become regular pattern or it is just one abnormal year, we need more time prove. But it will become harder for us to predict nominees.

This year's class of nominees give me a feel that "if you are popular/you can sell ticket, we will nominate you", Mariah Carey, Lenny, Mary, Sade are very similar acts and I do not think they should be nominated together.

Posted by power on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 16:38pm

Oasis will have a clear path like T. Rex and Roxy Music did several years ago. Most of past alternative inductees and British inductees will vote for them, they will get favor from some other past US classic rock inductees, so they are in. If you will get most british votes, you are probably in, may not be #1 or #2 but will probably enough to make you in. Oasis are way more bigger than Radiohead in UK and way more friendly than Radiohead in the eyes of classic rock voters. For example, likes of little Steven may not stand Radiohead but he may consider voting for Oasis.

Posted by power on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 16:44pm

I do not know, but there will be a chance that most pop and black people vote for all of Sade, Mariah, Mary, Lenny on the ballot and white old boomers vote for all of foreigners, ozzy, peter frampton, so all of these acts get similar number of votes finally.

I think we will have at least 7 and probably 8 performer inductees in this class.

Posted by power on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 16:49pm

Too big to fail
- Cher
- Mariah Carey

Very Likely
- Ozzy Osbourne

Competitive
- Oasis
- Dave Matthews Band
- Mary K Blige
- Foreigner
- Sade

Wild Card
- A Tribe Called Quest
- Sinead O'Connor
- Kool and the Gang

Not This Year
- Jane's Addiction
- Peter Frampton
- Lenny Kravitz

Category Bound
-Eric B and Rakim

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 16:54pm

Several things I think are influencing this ballot

1. The sales for the ticketed event itself were bad. That's due to alienating the boomers (who have money to waste on this) and basically having an inductee list that was just three performers, none of which are huge sellers despite big names. As such they are trying to do artists that will sell tickets and also appease boomers like Frampton. ALSO Disney and the Hall need good ceremony numbers so they continue getting bigger names on the ballot they think people will watch

2. Diversifying the hall, both in types of candidates and genres

3. Remember, this is the first Jann-less year. These 10 nominees very well could be ones they wanted to put to ballot but Jann hated so he kept them out entirely. Foreigner specifically is one he said would never be nominated as long as he was alive so it was clear that they got nominated this year. For the other 9 it's a real possibility

Posted by Guest on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 16:55pm

Early predictions:

Mariah Carey
Foreigner
Peter Frampton
Lenny Kravitz
Ozzy Osbourne
A Tribe Called Quest

7th pick alternatives: Oasis/Cher/Sinead

Posted by John R.C. on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 16:58pm

Too big to fail
- Cher
- Mariah Carey

Very Likely
- Ozzy Osbourne

Competitive
- Peter Frampton
- Kool and the Gang
- Foreigner
- Oasis

Wild Card
- Mary J Blige
- A Tribe Called Quest
- Sinead O'Connor
- Lenny Kravitz

Not This Year
- Dave Matthews Band
- Sade

Category Bound
-Eric B and Rakim
- Jane's Addiction

Posted by power on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 16:58pm

Last year, not many people bought tickets to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction ceremony, despite selecting many big names in the eyes of rrhof (Missy, Sheryl, Willie). Rock Hall didn't understand why rrhof was losing credibility. All rrhof did was just nominating more second tier (Foreigners) or even third tier (Peter Frampton) baby boomer musicians and more big names that rrhof thinks could potentially sell tickets (Cher, Mariah, Lenny, Sade, Mary). I think RRHOF is a bit desperate to sell tickets.

Posted by chasingwildcat on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 17:05pm

It is still hard to believe that Oasis are one of the coolest act on the ballot, indeed Oasis are very cheesy.

Posted by chasingwildcat on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 17:08pm

A couple statistics for everyone -

The total number of people nominated this year is 50, of which 40 are living. The oldest is Mick Jones of Foreigner, who recently turned 79, while the youngest is Rashawn Ross, the trumpeter for the Dave Matthews Band, at 45.

Of the 50 nominated musicians, only five are women (four living). Great job with that gender disparity, Hall...

This is a particularly active ballot. Cher, Mariah Carey, DMB, Frampton, Jane's Addiction, Eric B & Rakim, Lenny Kravitz, and Mary J Blige are active and have performed in the last year. Foreigner and Kool & The Gang are actively touring, with Mick Jones and Robert Bell being the only inducted members still remaining in their respective bands. Ozzy has been mostly retired since 2018 but has made occasional appearances since. Tribe has been broken up since their last album cycle in 2017, but by all accounts the living members are on good terms and would probably reunite for an induction. Sade have been mostly dormant since 2011 but all members are still alive. Oasis have broken up since 2009, and who the hell knows what the members would do lol. Sinead O'Connor is the only deceased solo artist.

Most artists are from cities well-represented in the Hall, particularly New York, Los Angeles, and London. The only exceptions would be Ozzy Osbourne, who would be the 7th artist hailing from Birmingham (including Black Sabbath), Oasis would be the 2nd from Manchester after The Hollies, Sinead the second from Dublin and the Republic of Ireland in general after U2, and the Dave Matthews Band the first and certainly only from Charlottesville, Virginia.

More to come including charts...

Posted by RG on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 17:16pm

I don't think Eric B and Rakim will be side-categoried for a long while like everyone thinks unless they do insanely abysmal performance-wise

The truth is that there isn't so many rap artists coming up for induction that have a reasonable chance. Kanye is the next up for eligibility in 2027 and his antics ruined what would have been a lock to potentially being locked out of the tournament. Afterwords is the certain locks, potentially FYI of Kendrick and Drake in 2034. That's an insanely long time off for a sure FYI rapper like we've gotten.

So they have to go through backlog. Which there are a good chunk that could reasonably get in like Snoop, Dre, Outkast, Lauryn Hill/Fugees, NAS, Wu-tang, Ice-T and De La Soul. But really there aren't too many snubs as might be thought and not too many coming up in the next decade. So I think they are trying EB&R like Tribe until they get in, maybe swapping them out once in awhile for one of these others listed. But the hall has made it clear - EB&R and Tribe is priority, and they'll only be sidedoored if it's impossible to ever get them in. But one try more then a decade ago with an entirely different voterbase isn't enough evidence of that for me. Nor is being against Eminem and Missy like Tribe were.

Posted by Guest on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 17:18pm

I can't seriously see them putting Sonny in. Wasn't Sonny totally on the anti-rock and roll side of things by the 80s? Inducting him would be like putting in Ted Nugent, who still won't be considered. Cher fits more of the Hall's criteria than Sonny (sorry). If they do include him, it should be for Musical Excellence, not as a performer with Cher and honestly, does he have enough credentials for an induction of any kind.

Also, folks thinking Mariah is a shoo-in, think about Bon Jovi, who didn't get in on their first ballot, or Janet Jackson (who likely didn't get in because she had dropped from prestige a bit but she was still a HUGE name).

Also, there are big/big-ish acts who didn't get on the first year but eventually got in much later or just right afterwards:
Bob Marley (inducted after two nods)
Jackson 5 (inducted after four nods)
John Mellencamp (inducted after three nods)
Bon Jovi (inducted after two nods)

Sometimes it doesn't matter if you have a huge name, it's not as predictable as one might think. I mean you can say the same about Cher, but honestly, I noticed those who tell the RRHOF to "eff off" usually are the ones to get in sooner than the ones who are "meh" about it so that's why I could see them inducting Cher over Mariah. Lol

Induct Foreigner, Lenny and Ozzy, you'll get your tickets worth! But see, this is why I don't get why they're doing the arena stuff. They could scale it back is all I'm saying.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 17:37pm

Mr J,

I was thinking the same: if Devo is inducted in Musical Excellence, it's an excellent choice, gives JD/NO an easy opener next year. I think they could actually do Dionne the same way and not have to nominate her. Those are the only two I see winning Musical Excellence this year. But maybe they'll surprise us and induct some acts that should've been in there a long time ago like Roy Brown or someone like that.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 17:42pm

Too big to fail
- Cher

Very Likely
- Ozzy Osbourne
Mariah Carey

Competitive
- Kool and the Gang
- Foreigner
- Peter Frampton
- Oasis
- Lenny Kravitz

Wild Card
- Mary J Blige
- A Tribe Called Quest
- Sinead O'Connor

Not This Year
- Dave Matthews Band
- Sade

Category Bound
-Eric B and Rakim
- Jane's Addiction

Posted by power on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 17:42pm

"Oasis would be the 2nd from Manchester"

That's a real insane and depressing stat, don't know how that's possible with the amount of music that city has done. Huge snub

Posted by Guest on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 17:43pm

Timothy Pernell,

I am afraid that it is likely jdno will not be nominated anymore. They are not valued by rock hall and voters. As you can see, janes Addiction are one of the most niche act on the ballot, which is insane as they are popular band indeed. The nominees are very commercial, which will hinder jdno

Posted by power on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 17:47pm

Your forget that Blue Monday is the best-selling 12-inch single of all time. JD/NO is commercial.

Posted by Guest2 on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 17:56pm

BLUE MONDAY sells well in UK but not US. In US they only have two top 40 songs and 1 platinum album. i think indeel except for some us alternative inductees, almost no us past inductees vote for them

Posted by power on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 18:00pm

Oh please if Kate Bush can get in. I don't see how JD/NO can't. Stand down power.

Posted by Guest2 on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 18:03pm

JD/NO will return. This year is a bit of an abnormality due to trying to make up for bad ticket sales last year alongside streaming bait big names, getting their anti-Janner nominees they always wanted out and potentially a Devo ME award, so they don't fit in with this lineup. They are too important to ignore for too long. Note how everyone last year save Tribe didn't return. They'll all be renominated again a few years down the road, if not next year.

Posted by Guest on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 18:07pm

Kate Bush is more beloved and connected in UK music industry than JD/NO. You can imagine likes of old British folks like Elton John and Rod Stewart voted for Kate but they are not likely to vote for JD/NO.

Indeed I am huge fans of JD/NO, but I am now pessimistic about their chance after seeing this year's ballot.

Also, the popular resurgence of Kate Bush gives her a lot of US votes in the last year, JD/NO do not have this kind of resurgence.

Posted by power on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 18:09pm

I find foreigner and Kool and the gang kind of fitting in the same boat

Two legendary pop acts who were never, ever, ever taken seriously, one was a party bands that made songs for high school graduations and the other made soft arena rock for car commercials. But both have proved incredibly influential, via covers and samples respectively, and have endured as popular touring acts.

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 18:14pm

We will have time to see if likes of this year will become a regular pattern or is just an abnormal point.

Posted by trea on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 18:15pm

Mat r,

I feel boomers will vote for both of foreigner and Kool and the gang at the same time. They both have about 10 US top 10 hits. I think they are all near-lock to be inducted. I see Kool get more votes than foreigner as black voters will also all vote for Kool.

Posted by power on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 18:17pm

I'd like to remind you when they had the UK HOF a long while back. After Ozzy solo is inducted (he got in for that and BS) JD/NO will be the only (along Cliff Richard) of the 30 or so inductees who are not inducted in the Rock Hall. Out of how many artists in the UK and worldwide they pick JD/NO.

They are legendary in the UK as shown by that and it's the US voters that'll need convincing after a few tries like other British alternative bands like Cure and Depeche Mode. All the British voters are already voting for JD/NO. The one key they have over someone like Bush is that they quite literally cannot be ignored without the hall being seen as an objective failed project they are that influential. They also sold quite a mighty amount so that helps.

Posted by Guest on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 18:17pm

Guest,

Which 7 acts do you think will get in this year?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 18:22pm

Power

I think Kool and the gang might miss because of Sade or Mary J or whoever

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 18:48pm

Mat R,

Which 7 acts do you think will get in this year?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 18:51pm

Cher I am really mixed on. She's not acknowledged it at all so she was probably fr in her "I hate you" stuff. But a lot of the current inductees know Cher very well, she started in the 60s after all. Dylan wrote about her in his book, Gene Simmons dated her. Would Jaimoe and Dickey Betts vote for her?? Depends on if they still have animosity over her relationship with Gregg.

She's got that big leg up over Mariah, who many of the old rocker voters probably ignore or completely dismiss. I know Eddie Trunk will and frequent guests on his show like Ace Frehley will

Posted by Will M on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 18:53pm

The rock hall has updated Oasis' page to indicate that Paul McGuigan and Alan White will be included with the band if inducted

Told you all that was an error

Posted by Guest on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 18:55pm

THE 2024 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES

WHEN VOTING FOR SENIORITY

Cher
Ozzy Osbourne
Peter Frampton
Kool & The Gang
Foreigner

WHEN VOTING FOR THE MOST RECENT ACTS

Dave Matthews Band
Oasis
Mary J. Blige
Mariah Carey
A Tribe Called Quest

WHEN VOTING FOR THE REST

Sade
Sinead O'Conner
Eric B. & Rakim
Jane's Addiction
Lenny Kravitz

WHEN VOTING FOR WOMEN

Cher
Sade
Sinead O'Connor
Mariah Carey
Mary J. Blige

WHEN VOTING ROCKIST

Ozzy Osbourne
Peter Frampton
Foreigner
Jane's Addiction
Lenny Kravitz

WHEN VOTING FOR BANDS

Kool & The Gang
Foreigner
Jane's Addiction
Dave Matthews Band
Oasis

WHEN VOTING BLACK

Kool & The Gang
Eric B. & Rakim
Lenny Kravitz
A Tribe Called Quest
Mary J. Blige

WORST CASE SCENARIO

Mary J. Blige
Mariah Carey
Sinead O'Connor
Eric B. & Rakim
A Tribe Called Quest

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 18:59pm

Been away from the Internet all day, so I'm just now seeing the noms. I want to read what everyone says, but I'm going to give my initial reactions first before I see everyone else's thoughts.

First of, it's a very surprising ballot to me. The top 8 artists that were predicted in this forum all missed out. No Outkast, Cyndi Lauper, Soundgarden, etc. Mary J. Blige, Dave Matthews Band, and Kool and the Gang were the most-guessed acts that actually made the list. And they had one nom, Eric B. & Rakim, that no one ended up putting on their list from what I saw, though many considered them. Quite the curve ball.

I'm most excited to see Foreigner, Kool & the Gang, and Sinead O'Connor on the ballot, because they were artists I wasn't totally sure would ever actually get a nom. Also glad to see DMB back for another try since they won the fan vote their first time out. I'm most disappointed not to see Outkast and the B-52's. I'll probably predict them every year until they get noms. Also really wanted JD/NO to come back.

Speaking of the fan vote, it could be an interesting race that I think will be between Ozzy, Cher, and DMB. My guess is Ozzy will win it, even though the Dave fans always come out in full force behind their guy.

The rock purists should be pretty happy about this ballot, as they've got quite a bit to choose from. Yes there are hip hop artists and pop stars on the list, but straight-forward rock has its highest amount of representation in a while. Even the alternative artists on the ballot are more guitar driven than synth-based. Will that lead to a rock-heavy inductee list or will they cancel each other out?

Looks like the room wanted some new blood on the ballot. Cyndi Lauper? Nope! White Stripes? Sorry! Warren Zevon? Better luck next time. Only A Tribe Called Quest returned from last year, and there are only 5 returning nominees overall. Three of the five returnees are hip hop artists, which shows very clearly where the committees priorities lie in that genre.

All in all it was a rough year for our predictions. Most of us, myself included, ended up getting just three correct. That's a far cry from the 8s and 9s we were hitting last year. Phillip led the way with a whopping 6 correct predictions (Blige, Mariah, Cher, DMB, Frampton, Tribe). Right behind him with 5 right were Nick Bambach, Tom Lane, and Richie (so many people give the guy grief, but he's correct quite often). And we had one unfortunate guesser (who shall remain nameless) who didn't get any correct this year. Better luck in 2025!

That's it for now. I'll save a closer look at the nominated artists for another day. Now I'm going to go back and read what everyone else said about this year's group.

Posted by Michael W. on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 19:09pm

A lot of you say Lenny is a ticket seller nom but he's a Sheryl crow type. Industry follower. 90s act whos derivative of older music. Very retro but often grouped with far more innovative artists. They always show up where they need to be, Grammys rock halls, other industry events. He's nominated because the industry thinks he's far bigger than he is and thinks he can sell tickets, which is like the exact same for Sheryl crow. You'll hear in the speech Slash and Gary Clark Jr talk about how cool he is he's a genius, just like Stevie nicks and Olivia Rodrigos speeches. I don't doubt their genuine appreciation, but you hardly ever hear: why they're so good.

That's my thoughts on Lenny this year and Sheryl Last year.

Posted by Will M on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 19:30pm

Also Mariah Carey doing so unexpectedly poorly in the fan vote makes me happy to see :)))

I think we all expected her to run away to #1 like George Micheal did but she's at #9 behind Sinead and Oasis :)))

Posted by Will m on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 19:44pm

Also Mariah Carey doing so unexpectedly poorly in the fan vote makes me happy to see :)))

I think we all expected her to run away to #1 like George Micheal did but she's at #9 behind Sinead and Oasis :)))

Posted by Will m on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 19:46pm

I actually agree with Richie's analysis for a change; I agree on his most likely top 6 acts for induction. The Hall voters still like mainstream Classic Rock, so I expect Foreigner and Frampton to get in easily, much like Dobbie Brothers and Steve Miller once did when a lot of people on this forum didn't think they would.

And the Hall voters like "Icons" that transcend music, which means that Cher, Mariah, and Ozzy should all get a lot of votes.

That locks in five spots. Out of the rest, I believe Kool & The Gang have the best cross section of votes, they'll get votes from fans of Hip hop since their music is so heavily sampled, they'll obviously get fans of R&B, and funk, and their stellar musicianship will also be looked at approvingly. They are associated with 70s Soul, which has been having a hard time lately with the voters, but Kool & The gang have a bit more feel of gravitas because of being an outstanding multidimensional band instead of just a singing group. I give them a 50/50 or better shot.

To me, the most interesting race will be for spot number 7.

Posted by Shrek on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 20:00pm

This year is going to be a pretty good test to see if the boomer, traditional rock voters are still with us. Will it be heavy with their choices, with the modern popish voters, or a combination of both?

Remember: Last year the hall had only one traditional, older era rock artist on the ballot (Zevon) and they STILL could not get him inducted. There is zero guarantee that there's enough still to get Foreigner and/or Frampton inducted. I'm sure Ozzy will just for iconic brand name alone but for the rest there's a very real chance we get none of their picks in

Posted by Guest on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 20:26pm

Guest,

I believe Zevon was hindered because he made a LOT of industry enemies through his antics. He definitely had supporters in REM, Jackson Browne, Springsteen and e street, Eagles, Fleetwood Mac, Billy Joel, and more soft rockers. Jann despised Zevon and many other executives and writers also held grudges against him, not unlike Motley Crue. Except of course Zevon was a far greater songwriter than Nikki sixx lol

Posted by Will m on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 20:40pm

Guest

Your point makas sense. But I also think last year it was boomers mainly voted the Spinners in. They could also vote for peter or foreigner. Zevon is not a popular act among boomers, especially among boomer inductees.

Posted by power on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 20:53pm

Another comment: I think rap inductees have been consistently hindered by the amount of dead rap voters. Eazy E, Cowboy, MCA, Jam Master Jay, and infamously Tupac and Biggie all passed away and the smaller pool may have given rap nominees less votes than otherwise. If tribe are inducted this year there will be one less amongst them as Phife is no longer with us, and if de la soul are ever up for nom and inducted, they'll be missing Trugoy

Posted by Will M on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 21:01pm

I think most of hall watchers predicted Janet to be inducted in 2016 or 2017. However, she was snubbed twice. So I expect the same happen in thid year that some of extremely pop star may fail

Posted by power on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 21:05pm

Peter Frampton's influence is no where near the Steve Miller. if he is on steve miller, he would already be inducted in 10s

Posted by power on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 21:09pm

Is this the first time in the modern era (post 2010) that a nominee (in that case Mariah) has covered a fellow nominee (foreigner)?

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 21:20pm

Also looking at the discourse....this Sinead nomination is not landing well at all. People are like actually disgusted

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 21:32pm

Official Rock Hall voters are now able to select seven names on their ballot instead of five names on their ballot.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 21:33pm

Here comes Mariah to get the pop drones on her social media to vote for her.

Which is fine since everyone does it and fan vote means little, but that's why fan vote never is serious because it's meddled to hard by people who'd never know otherwise. Taylor's and Beyonce's in a few years is going to be insanely ugly to an unbelievable degree

Just know she was in 10th for awhile by actual voters

Posted by Guest on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 21:39pm

Cher: shoe-in, top vote getter

Foreigner: Likely will in, classic rock votes will contain both them and Peter

Peter Frampton: Likely will in, classic rock votes will contain both him and Foreigner

Lenny Kravitz: Will split votes Mariah, Sade, Mary and to some extent kool and the gang, but he has rock elements, so he will get some extra rock votes. So I actually think he has better chance than Mary and Sade

Kool & the Gang: Likely will in, boomers are likely to vote for them just like they voted for the spinners in last year. They will also get another more votes from black voters. I think black people who vote for some of Lenny, Mariah, Sade, Mary will also vote for Kool. We should note that Kool have more hits than anyone except Mariah.

Mariah Carey: Likely will in. Have the best chance among Mariah, Sade, Mary and Lenny. Too many hit songs, too big to ignore.

Oasis: have a good chance. People tend to forget that how big they are in England. They sold more albums in england than Kate Bush, Radiohead, Eurythmics, T.Rex, Roxy Music, Depeche Mode combined. They are the god in England. They will get the most of British votes, alternative votes and votes from some US classic rock acts (Dylan, Neil Young and Bob Dylan all sing praise for Oasis). Generally speaking, Oasis have at least similar and possible bigger voting body than Roxy Music and T. Rex before. They are the only British act on the ballot, biggest alternative act on the ballot. No huge competition. Do not say the radiohead need twice, Oasis' album sales in the UK are three times that of Radiohead, and Wonderwall is far more famous than Creep in the US.

Sade: Too huge competition. Mariah, Mary are all more famous and popular than them and Lenny with more connection. Kool and the Gang may also split votes from Sade. Do not have a clear path.

Sinead O'Connor: This year is her best chance. She is an act beloved by both older and younger generation from different genres. What hurts her is that her music resume is relative small, but her spirit and story attracts many people. I think lots of voters will at least seriously consider voting for Sinead. I think she is darkhorse.

Ozzy: Biggest rock icon on the ballot. Household name in US. Most british voters and classic rock and heavy rock related voters will vote for Ozzy. Near shoe-in.

Mary J. Blige: Will split votes with Mariah, Sade and Lenny and some extent Kool and the GANG and two rap acts. Path is not that clear but I think her chance will be better than Sade as she has better popularity and connection.

Dave Matthews Band: Do not have a clear path. Lots of classic rock competition.

Eric B. & Rakim: Do not have a chance in this year.

Jane's Addiction: Do not have a chance in this year.

Tribe: Darkhorse. Slightly more influential than EBAR but not by a large margin. May split votes with instead of steal votes from EBAR. But this year voters can vote for 7, so it is likely voters will vote for all of them (voters who want hip-hop) or none of them (voters who want bigger acts).

I think there will be 7-9 performer inductees as I think real voters can also vote for 7. We will see. Voting for 7 may make different result on final inductees.

My prediction in order:
Cher
Mariah Carey
Ozzy
Foreigners
Kool and the Gang
Peter Frampton
Oasis
Lenny Kravtiz (if 8)
Mary J Blige, Sinead, Tribe (9/10/11)

Posted by power on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 21:47pm

12: DMB, 13: Sade, 14: Jane's Addiction, 15: Eric B & Rakim

Posted by power on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 21:49pm

Since people really want to be bringing up Radiohead in relation to Oasis in particular two things I wanted to note

1. Oasis had more commercial success but Radiohead has infinitely more critical success, probably the most any nominee had in decades. Ok Computer response was so critically positive that it's said there wasn't an album release that was so universally positive at launch since The Beatles days, and likely the only one in the last 25 years close was Kendrick's TPAB. And that, Kid A are considered significant milestones in music history and the definite albums of the late 90s-early 2000s. Their influence and longevity are far beyond Oasis who burned out in the late 90s.

2. Reminder that the first time Radiohead was nominated they were touring South America at the time of the ceremony and openly said they weren't going to attend if inducted. Either due to hall shenanigans or voters shunning for that they did not make it that year, but were encouraged to push renomination/induction to next year so that they might attend with no conflict. I've seen some people claiming they worked at the Hall say if Radiohead wasn't touring and were more inclined to come that year they would have been first year inductees. Oasis, of course, broke up 15 years ago so there's no worries of conflict

Does this mean much? Not necessarily, but comparing the two is tough. Very different playouts of scenarios and info can support and detract from the idea Oasis might get it first swing.

Posted by Guest on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 22:16pm

This ballast is so boring that I'm more excited about musical excellence, some considerations:

Tori Amos
Devo
Bjork
Dianne Warwick
John Coltrane
The smiths
B-52s
New Order/Joy division
Roberta flack

For real, this is exciting, it could be anyone!

I think inductees will be :

Cher-lock that pleases boomers
Mariah Carey -lock
Peter Frampton-pleases the boomers
Foreigner - Jann is dead, let them in
Ozzy - hard rock category
Lenny kravitz - taking the well connected way Sheryl got in
Dave matthews band - (barf, but a lock and would be the headliners to this weak ceremony aside from mariah/Lenny, the rest are way past their prime)

Sinead- this one is pretty cringey, before bjork, fiona apple, alanis morisette, Lauren hill, Tori Amos, and pj harvey? Tragic death but not worthy before these 6 far more influential 90s women. Tracy Chapman should be on the ballot if you wanna talk about last years relevance. Bad taste rock hall.

Oasis; Radiohead waited 2 years, and they are pretty hated right now, maybe even more than Morrissey who should be in with the smiths before them. Next year the cranberries will take the Brit pop spot that oasis hold this year and might just get in, because the cranberries are likable!

Sade: not on first nomination but worthy for sure, might even end up in musical excellence early before next 3-4 noms.

Janes addiction: Ozzy is taking their spot to sell those tickets to boomers

Cool & gang - nah
A tribe called quest - nah

There's been rap for 4 straight years the hall seems to be taking a break having such 2 weak nominees instead of Outkast or snoop dog.

Mary j - not on a ballot w Mariah

Posted by Mikhail on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 22:16pm

mikhail

In theory, Sinead's nomination before Tori, Bjork, PJ, Alanis, Sarah, Fiona makes sense because these artist are direct descendants of both Sinead and Kate Bush. It would be silly to nominate Alanis and Fiona before Sinead because they're directly influenced by her.

Posted by Elle Dee on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 22:37pm

elle dee

I don't think you can call Bjork and desecendant of Sinead. Sugarcubes were a popular band at the same time she was big.

richie

ozzy
cher
mariah
foreigner
dmb
oasis
mary j blige or kool and the gang or a tribe called quest

eric b and rakim as influence

Posted by Mat R on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 23:13pm

mat r

Not Sugarcubes era Bjork, but Debut/Post-era Bjork. There are some songs off of "The Lion and the Cobra" and "I Don't Not Want What I Haven't Got" that predates the trip-hop craze in the 90s.

Some examples:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8s9xbO7LguU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzRRQxcVXlc

Posted by Elle Dee on Saturday, 02/10/2024 @ 23:28pm

Geez, I am seeing a lot of Rockist posts from people who really don't want to give any thoughts to non-White/non-Rock artists. I thought the site was finally "Rockist free" since the mid 2010s.

Reminder: Personal tastes ≠ worthiness

(Also, Mariah is now closing in on the top 7 the last I checked)

Posted by John R.C. on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 00:02am

elle dee

i don't see a difference. bjork has lead a long and wild career and everyone from her child stardom to anarcho-communist punk stuff to mainstream alterative to pro-pegging borderline funny pop stuff is part of one canon

note i've been a bjork fan for decades seen her live several times so you will not sway me

Posted by Mat R on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 00:13am

mat r

I'm a fan of Bjork too and I can tell she was influenced by Sinead in some way with her albums "Debut" and "Post".

Posted by Elle Dee on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 00:28am

John Sykes, the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Foundation's chairman, said in a press statement, "This remarkable list of nominees reflects the diverse artists and music that the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame honors and celebrates. Continuing in the true spirit of Rock & Roll, these artists have created their own sounds that have impacted generations and influenced countless others that have followed in their footsteps."

I think what he said is laughable and ironic. A ton of classic rock and pop acts. No diversity at all

Posted by chasingwildcat on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 00:43am

Boston and Lilttle Steven's favorite J Geils Band may make nomination in 2025.

Posted by chasingwildcat on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 00:44am

elle dee

influenced is different from descendant. like bowie was influenced by death grips but is in no way a descendant of them. bjork was an established artist looking around and sinead was there, trent reznor was there, kate bush was there, lfo was there. calling her a descendant of any of them (aside from lfo) feels like a reach

Posted by Mat R on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 00:46am

Since you can vote for seven nominees on the fan vote, does that mean the hall voters will vote for seven nominees on their ballot for the first time?

Posted by Elle Dee on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 01:27am

Yes, and it may lead to al least 7 and even possible 8-9 performer inductees

Posted by power on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 02:09am

Just wanted to note that, since Sykes came, the Hall has inducted two bands and 5/4 soloists each year. So this probably means 2 bands and 5 soloists will get in.

Keep that in mind.

Posted by Follower on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 05:39am

The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame during Jann Wenner's era was much better than it is today.

Posted by trea on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 06:11am

Daily reminder - thinking the corporate product pop star should not be in the hall for the sole reason of she sold a lot of records due to heavy corporate advertising and following the generic line of song creation is NOT being a rockist the same way that thinking Bon Jovi shouldn't be in for the same reason does not make you a poptimist. That is actually dumb and does not indicate how you'd think about other artist in the same genre. You cannot see this list of 14 other artists and tell me with a straight face that Mariah Carey deserves to be in over any of them.

Posted by Guest on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 06:24am

One thing that no one's mentioned yet is that Lenny Kravitz is another complainer. A few months ago he went on a big rant against BET and how he apparently doesn't get respected by award shows. That complaining may have influenced his nomination

Posted by Willm on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 07:20am

Guest.

Okay, I'll say it with a straight face: MARIAH CAREY IS WAY MORE WORTHY THAN MOST OF THE 14 NAMES ON THE BALLOT! Now stop your complaining. She's getting inducted no matter how much your personal preference to her.

Heck, I don't like Foreigner, but I'm still predicting them that they'll get in this year.

Posted by John R.C. on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 07:26am

Will M

Baby who cries will get milk.

Posted by power on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 07:30am

One of the worst-case scenarios I can envision is that some pop stars' nominations are orchestrated through networking, akin to how the Grammy Awards can be easily manipulated. It's even conceivable that some individuals, who weren't originally on the nomination list or in the voting results of the nomination committee, could be added through malicious maneuvering, resulting in the removal of certain niche acts to accommodate them.

Posted by Jack London on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 07:39am

ranking the nominees based on how much i want them in

Peter Frampton (im a massive fan)
Foreigner
Ozzy Osbourne
A tribe called quest
Janes Addiction
Kool and the gang

all those i really want them to make it in

Sinead
Eric B/Rakim
Sade
Cher
mary j blige

these i would not mind as inductees at all and ive gotta get into them

oasis
DMB
lenny kravitz

these are the 90s bands im not huge on and id be disappointed if they made it in over my favorites. Lenny in particular is not super great and Thin Lizzy or Gram Parsons would have been much more welcome.


mariah

please god no

Posted by Will M on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 07:45am

unless cher deliberatley shoots herself in the foot i totally see voters choosing between cher and mariah and splitting votes there.

Tribe are a sure shot cause theyre bigger and much more acclaimed than eric b and rakim, rap inductees will vote for both but many music critics and djs will vote Tribe.

with the new 7 choice ballot i see for certain a 9/15 inductee year

rock fans will not be splitting hairs and put frampton foreigner and ozzy all together, maybe including lenny oasis janes dmb.

kool and gangs have like zero competition at all

sade and mary j are competing w each other

mary j i see getting shut out as her votes will likely get split

Posted by will m on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 07:53am

my predictions for this year

Ozzy
Kool and Gang
Peter Frampton
Foreigner
Tribe called quest
Cher
Oasis
Sinead
DMB

Posted by will m on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 08:09am

mariah missed out most of the first day of fan voting. im not certain that she can get that momentum back and she will probably peak at like #4 max

Posted by will m on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 08:19am

https://www.facebook.com/stories/174758207346919/UzpfSVNDOjEwOTAxODgxNDU1NTczOTM=/?view_single=1&source=shared_permalink&mibextid=2JQ9oc

It is really strange that Coldplay appear on questlove posts of 2024 nominees

Posted by power on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 08:23am

Does that mean Coldplay are actually nominated but now show on the rock hall website or Coldplay are the last cut in nom com meeting (they finished #16 in nom com voting). It is really strange Questlove tags Coldplay as 2024 nominees. Or initially RRHOF prepare to nominate 16 artists including Coldplay but RRHOF change the nominee list without the permission of nom com.

Posted by power on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 08:29am

Will m

Lenny was complaining about how he, a black man, was being isolated by black focused media and cultural institutions for not fitting their view of black culture. Vernon reed and iirc the block party guy backed him up.

Very different from just complaining about not getting awards

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 08:37am

Lenny's complain absolutely helps some members in non com to bring him up abd get him nominated

Posted by power on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 08:43am

Power

I don't think it did. Like a week before they'd have met to talk about nominees, Lenny was at the golden globes as a nominee. Let's not pretend that Lenny Kravitz needs to complain to get people's attention when the guy seeming just shows up everywhere and you can literally guy furniture with his name on it

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 09:01am

Mat r,

Ah ok I see I must've misread his comments. I agree with him actually about BET and other black focused media. There's an old conspiracy that gangsta rap was heavily promoted to make rap (or in extreme takes of the conspiracy: all black people) look bad. I don't buy into that cause it's obviously absurd. But there's an element of truth in how BET and other similar organizations make out that Hip hop is the explicit black music thing and ignoring black rock musicians. I remember when BET did a tribute for Little Richard, there were people complaining about it cause they didn't even know who he was. I hope this comment is comprehensible cause if I said something poorly than this will make zero sense

Posted by Will m on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 09:06am

Power

Questlove posting Coldplay as nominee is strange

Posted by Malik Pope on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 09:07am

My guess for inductees

Cher
Mariah
Ozzy
Foreigner
Peter
Lenny
Tribe

Posted by malik pope on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 09:12am

Power,

https://www.facebook.com/stories/174758207346919/UzpfSVNDOjEwOTAxODgxNDU1NTczOTM=/?view_single=1&source=shared_permalink&mibextid=2JQ9oc

Actually, Coldplay appear on the the posts by Questlove (rock hall nominating committee member), he noted Coldplay as 2024 nominee. What happend behind scene? It seems that Coldplay were actually nominated based on the list obtained by Questlove but Coldplay do not make appearance finally.

Posted by chasingwildcat on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 09:22am

Could there be a possible exchange of benefits between artists and the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, where an artist performs for rock hall in exchange for a nomination and induction into the Hall of Fame in the subsequent year or two? Could this potentially form an industry chain?

Posted by chasingwildcat on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 09:43am

Another reason Radiohead was snubbed in first year because at that year only had 5 inductees, if 7 inductees were inducted at that year, Radiohead may already be inducted in 2018. Oasis do not have this kind of problem as we will have 7-9 performer inductees in this class.

Posted by power on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 09:56am

This year's announcement feels rushed—no announcement videos, no analysis from Greg Harris or John Sykes about the inductees, and no disclosures from the nomination committee members. It seems like a spur-of-the-moment decision with nothing prepared.

Posted by power on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 09:58am

I think it's just an error on Quest's part. I'm sure they were discussed in the meeting, maybe they were the last artist cut from the final list, and he just forgot that when making his post. They're definitely not "actually nominated", that mistake would have been caught by many different people throughout the process (i.e. people who have to make and approve the website, press release, marketing, etc)

Posted by RG on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 10:00am

I wonder if Coldplay made the ballot and there was a dispute about Phil Harvey being included and Coldplay made it clear they wanted no part

That would be my guess

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 10:10am

Pretty clear to me Coldplay was 16th place and the first one out this year. Either they originally were going with 16 but dropped it to 15, or a late vote or tiebreaker came in that place Coldplay one vote down from the rest so they were out. Don't think something bad happened behind the scenes and makes it clear that there is significant push for Coldplay induction.

My guess is they are on the ballot next year and inducted next year. It works out better since they'd be facing Lenny and Oasis stealing votes now which might push them out, or if they are dominant would make the final list far more boring with the top heavy candidates. Oasis now has a clear shot this year as the British band, and next year Coldplay might run unopposed and there's going to be far less star power (after this year the majority of obvious ones are in)

Posted by Guest on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 10:21am

It's been absolutely hilarious watching grown men in the comments act like whiny, bratty children all because Mariah Carey's name is on the ballot. Wow lol.

Even podcasts which are primarily about the Rock Hall believes Mariah Carey will and deserves to be inducted.

So a female artist who has achieved;

• 19 #1 Singles
• 6 #1 Albums
• 93 weeks at #1
• 2 Diamond Albums
• 2 more Albums 9x Platinum
• 1 Diamond Single
• 6 Grammys
• 8 Soul Train Awards
• 10 American Music Awards
• 16 Billboard Music Awards
• 19 World Music Awards
• 34 BMI Songwriter Awards
• Pitchfork ranked Fantasy the #1 song of the 90s.
• Rollingstone ranked Mariah Carey #5 on the list of 200 Greatest Singers.
• AIWFCIY is inducted the The National Recording Registry.
• Is inducted in The Songwriters Hall of Fame.
• Won Billboard Icon Award
• Won Grio Music Icon Award
• Won Grammys Global Impact Award
• Dominated the 90s
• Had one the biggest comebacks in music history
• Is one of The Queens of Christmas

....is not deserving of the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame? And I haven't even gotten into her influence/ impact. Mariah Carey has influenced a generation of singers like Beyonce, Rihanna, Kelly Clarkson, Kelly Rowland, Ariana Grande, Jennifer Hudson, Christina Aguilera, Nelly Furtado, Tori Kelly, Leona Lewis, Jojo, Tamar Braxton, Brandy, Lady Gaga, Hayley Williams, Mary J Blige, Ava Max, Sumner Walker, Sza, Bruno Mars, Justin Bieber, Shawn Mendes, Sam Smith, and the list goes on and on..... Not to mention the impact of the Fantasy Remix made in music.

Also Mariah Carey has covered songs by rock acts on her albums from Dep Leopard, Foreigner, and Harry Nilsson. She also recorded a secret alt-rock album called 'Someone's Ugly Daughter' that she completely co wrote and co produced.

If anything, Mariah Carey is one of the more deserving artists on the list. Anyone saying otherwise obviously don't know what they're talking about.

Anyways, congrats to all the nominees!!

Posted by Aria Diamond on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 10:45am

Aria diamond

You forgot something that makes it worse:

NCP future rock legends user: recognize women of colour

Rock hall: *nominates Mariah Carey, a woman of colour who writes and produces her own stuff and has 19 #1 singles and shifted the sounds of mainstream pop

NCP future rock legends user: no not like that *makes this face >:|

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 10:52am

Billboard has posted what they see as their odds for induction, and they might be surprising for some

They predict Ozzy, Sinead, Lenny, Cher, Mariah, DMB and MJB as the inductees

They odd Ozzy and Sinead as basically 1:1 locks to make it into the hall, Lenny and Cher close to locks but a slight distance behind. So people are very underestimating Sinead's chances and slightly Lenny's. They say everyone is overrated Foreigner's chances and very heavily overrating Frampton's chances which they say are the second least likely inductee after EB&R this year

https://www.billboard.com/lists/rock-hall-odds-2024-rock-roll-hall-fame-nominations

Posted by Guest on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 10:55am

Guest

I think this is nonsense. They said the White Stripes were almost lock last year but it seems that they were far from induction line in the end.

Posted by power on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 11:00am

Inductees will come from Cher, Mariah Carey, Ozzy, Foreigner, Peter Frampton, Kool & the Gang, Oasis, Lenny Kravitz, Mary J Blige, Sinead O Connor, A Tribe Called Quest and DMB. I do not think Sade, Janes Addiction and EBAR have much chance in this year

What do you think?

Posted by Trea on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 11:11am

I think Sade have a chance

They're critical darlings and if you look at their sales in the United States...those first five albums went either 3 or 4 times platinum and they have 2 top 5 singles and several other top 40.

If tribe is competitive, Sade is too

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 11:21am

Aria diamond,

For the record, I am not a grown man, I'm a teenager and I don't like any of her songs, matter of fact today I listened to her first 3 albums and I didn't like a single track. I've already heard her 3 Christmas albums, side note I actually like all I want for Christmas is you

Posted by Will m on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 11:29am

Mat r

Sade have a problem that they will face competition with Mary J Blige, Lenny, Mariah and Kool and the Gang in pop/rnb votes. Except for Lenny, all other acts have more hits than Sade and may be more connected and more urgent (especial Kool). But if you want to vote for a rap act, you probably will vote for Tribe. Tribe have less competition than Sade in their own line.

Posted by Trea on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 11:30am

I feel it is almost safe to say Usher will be nominated and then inducted in the next year. He has lots of momentum now

Posted by power on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 11:37am

I am afraid that Outkast will have to wait for more years until Tribe and EBAR are inducted. The worst scenario is that these two acts keep trying and failing again and again, and Outkast will still not be nominated around 2030, which would be a crime.

Posted by power on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 11:39am

power,

It was rushed. There was no polish, no official announcement of the date, no video. Either they put the list out to beat the leak that may have happened or there was some dissension or disagreement in the voting itself, or some other unexplained snafu. That presentation was completely lame.

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 11:57am

I think rrhof really wanted white stripes before and even modified the eligibility rule to make white stripes could be inducted one year earlier. But now suddenly white stripes disappear on their true eligible year.

I think it may be induced by two likely reasons. The first probable reason is that white stripes did extremely poor in voting like Beck did in 22. The other possible reason is that Jack White is harsh toward rock hall and something very bad many happen behind the scene so the hall is becoming cold for Jack White.

It is really surprising that the hall quits white stripes suddenly, while the hall really wanted them one year ago. It is very perlexing

Posted by power on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 12:14pm

Already tired of reading social media feedback on the RRHOF inductees. The past few years the rockist elitists were largely quiet or encased in their little spaces. Now, instead of being grateful there is a larger amount of traditional rock acts than there have been since like 2018, they are complaining about Mariah Carey, Trybe, Cher, Sade, about not being rock enough. Even Lenny Kravitz. They come off as entitled idiots, not fans of music. How many times can you explain what "rock AND ROLL" means to a dimwitted crowd who just goes "Ozzy, Frampton and Foreigner pre-1980 and nothing else"

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 12:19pm

kdawg

ive not seen much negative reaction to lenny, if any it seems to be over not likeling his music rather than his rock credentials. are you gonna go my way is an amazing song but his american woman cover is awful so i am mixed on him. hes in the same boat as oasis for me, and as sheryl crow was last year. personally i dont view any of these three as particularly desrving but i dont mind them so much

Posted by will m on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 12:24pm

Trea

Yea but I don't think the rap vote alone can get an act in. LL after all couldn't.

Sade, while not feeling like a lock by any means, feel competitive. Especially as the Brits will probably vote for them and a lot of snobs will pick them over Mariah/Kool. They're popular enough in the states that populists also know them.

I feel Lenny is more of an issue for dmb, foreigner, and oasis tbh

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 12:31pm

I've been listening to Amy Linden's podcast Immaletyoufinish... with her friend Courtney Anderson since last year. It's a great podcast. These two are very funny as hosts. In one of the episodes, Amy has made it known and clear that she does not like Lenny Kravitz. In one of the more sadder episodes, they discussed Sinead's death and how much they love her. I think it's safe to say who Amy will vote for and who Amy will not vote for.

Posted by Elle Dee on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 13:12pm

I am shocked to see Billboard see's Sinead as a lock. I like her, but her only American hit was written by Prince. It took Kate Bush 4 tries to get it and yet Sinead is going to walk in yet PJ, Bjork, Alison Moyet, Fiona, Sarah MacLachlan, and so on are not even yet nominated.
This years nominations make me feel like I am in the twilight zone, the people who like Arena Rock have zero to complain about because many of their formulaic bands are sure to be nominated. It appears it has everything to do with last years ceremony not being sold out.

Posted by Too Soon for Sinead on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 13:47pm

Janet Jackson failed twice before as she lost to old rock acts like steve miller, yes, cheap trick, deep purple, chicago, journey, ELO. Will the same type of story happen again in this year. I think foreigner are even more likely than Mariah Carey

Posted by power on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 14:07pm

Power,

I think Mariah is a shoo-in, She's the biggest hitmaker on the list, so I just can't see her missing out on induction this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 14:10pm

I think Mariah will in this year. But Janet had the most hit songs in 16 and 17 class but she still failed twice. So I do not 100%, only 80-90% sure about Mariah. I am almost 100% sure on Foreigner. About 9 on the ballot has multiple hits. So it is hard to say who will have advantage.

Posted by power on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 14:18pm

I was born after the Janet Super Bowl thing, but to my eyes Janet has always been a critically acclaimed act. Much more than Mariah. I love a lot of Janet songs tho I've not listened to any of her albums yet. She failed twice, this might have to do w 2004 Super Bowl but I still see it as a sign that Mariah (despite all the money she's made) won't do as well as many think. Whitney got in FYN but she died in 2011 and I believe this influenced her induction. Mariah did not die tragically so she lacks that retrospective nostalgia that pushed Whitney into the hall.

(Also Mariah never made a song as good as I wanna dance or how will I know, those are both incredibly awesome songs and Mariah doesn't have anything nearly as good)

Posted by Will M on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 14:26pm

Because of these I think Mariah will fail first time and get in on the second

Posted by Will m on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 14:34pm

Will M,

So you're a teenager acting like a bratty child? This is wild.

Also, who cares if you don't like Mariah Carey's music? Music is subjective. You can't please everyone. There are plenty of artists in the Rock Hall who's music I don't like. That doesn't make them any less deserving of being in the Rock Hall. Come on now.

Posted by Aria Diamond on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 14:46pm

Will m

Scroll to #1 https://pitchfork.com/features/lists-and-guides/the-best-songs-of-the-1990s/

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 14:48pm

Janet was crucial in opening the door to rest of her class of pop divas, which allowed the rather smooth entry for Whitney, and I suspect the same will be afforded to Mariah. And this is why I believe the next generation in Beyoncé, Rihanna, Lady Gaga, et. al. will be FYI.

I think a more interesting conversation is whether the adult contemporary pop divas who have no immediately visible lineage in rock, R&B or Hip Hop will be considered? The ones who've tussled with the fierce rock critical establishment throughout their entire career. Thinking of Celine Dion, Barbra Streisand...

Posted by ChrisD on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 15:21pm

And an even MORE interesting conversation is when the Hall will start opening the door to more Latin and non-English artists; especially now that we are at a time when the language barriers in the American music landscape are starting to break down with the success of reggaeton and Spanish music competing head to head with the staple Anglo-American genres.

Posted by ChrisD on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 15:47pm

Chrisd

I think past struggles (los lobos, Fela Kuti, Kraftwerk) suggest they won't be pushing it on the ballot soon but it's clear the hall wants more Non-English and international acts so I think pretty soon we'll see an international award.

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 16:05pm

Aria diamond

Yes because I don't like her music I don't think she's deserving. Music is subjective and so is something like a hall of fame. I'll admit I got heated over it but hey, I've been listening to her music all day and I've only heard 2 that I actually thought were quality: Fantasy ain't bad, and the interlude on Daydream is also pretty good.

All her other songs are boring schlock and if that's worthy of being honored as "rock n roll hall of fame" then you might as well put Micheal Bolton and Barry Manilow in next

(Most Manilow songs suck but I actually quite like cant smile without you, that's a decent cut)

Posted by Will m on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 16:18pm

Aria diamond,

I absolutely love Foreinger and I think they're very deserving to be honored. They might not be particularly innovative but Jones and Graham are really great songwriters with hooks galore and each member is a fantastic player. That first album especially, every piece of cold as ice could be expanded into another equally excellent song. And whether you think it's good or not, they had plenty of influence, less so than Boston or King Crimson, but Foreigner are the prime Arena sound, you don't get hysteria or use your illusion or Reckless or Metallica's black album without Foreigner.

Posted by Will m on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 16:24pm

Will M,

I still think that Mariah is a shoo-in this year, She's the biggest hitmaker on the ballot this year, so she's just too big of a name to be ignored, so I see her being a shoo-in this year. I see her being far more likely to get in than Sinead O'Connor, As much as I love Sinead, I just have a really hard time seeing her getting in on her first nomination especially if Kate Bush took 4 tries to get in, so I see Sinead possibly doing the same.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 16:24pm

Ritchie,

You make a fair point about Sinead, however I don't know if there's enough goodwill for Mariah to get her in on #1. I think there's gonna be a lot more opposition to her than others believe

Posted by Will M on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 16:34pm

International, non-English language artists will NEVER remotely get close to touching the hall doors, especially in the new big Anglo "icon" era. The hall and its voters is far too anglo-centered (specifically US-centered) to even know about international acts, let alone actually vote for them. Even for the diverse pushers its for those artists in the US, UK or another Anglo country.

The hall is far better off either side category them or especially creating an international committee that exclusively votes for international/non-English speaking acts to be inducted as performers without the traditional route. Because it's impossible through traditional route, Fela is seen as the absolute last place artist when nominated and he's massive, Kraftwerk had to be side-doored despite being well known, and I have sure as hell never seen a single person even here seriously consider suggesting Kylie Minogue, Soda Stereo, Jean-Michel Jarre, X Japan or Can among others even WHEN most of them have English-speaking content and all of them traditionally would have hall resumes, because they aren't anything in the US. Tragically Hip have no chance despite being Anglo and Canada's unofficial national artist because US/UK doesn't care. How could you expect anyone else?

Posted by Guest on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 16:36pm

Will m

Shut up about Mariah dude Jesus Christ. You're acting like Richie did when Eminem was nominated and trying to come up with a narrative that would cause a snub.

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 16:59pm

Mat R,

Haha. Very Funny. Lol.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 17:08pm

Who I would vote for this year:

Mariah Carey
Cher
Jane's Addiction
Kool & The Gang
Sinead O'Connor
Ozzy Osbourne
A Tribe Called Quest

Who I see getting in:

Mariah Carey
Cher
Dave Matthews Band
Foreigner
Kool & The Gang
Lenny Kravitz
Ozzy Osbourne

Posted by Ian on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 17:39pm

Will M,

You are entitled to your opinion but Mariah Carey is not like Michael Bolton or Barry Manilow. She might have started out that way but today? No. Mariah is Pop/R&B singer/songwriter who sings Pop, R&B. Gospel, and Hip Hop. She's even sprinkled some pop/rock songs throughout her catalog. Bolton and Manilow are mainly adult contemporary artists. I mean Mariah had to fight to have more R&B and Hip Hop integrated into her music.

One suggestion. Since you're listening to Mariah Carey's music then maybe you should visit the Unplugged album. Actually watch it on YouTube. Yes it's her earlier work but maybe there you will see why people fell in love her voice and music.

But It's totally fine if you don't like her catalog. However, Mariah Carey has the hits, awards, accolades, sales, longevity, influence/impact, and recognition. All which I listed. Also want to add Mariah Carey is not managed by Irving Azoff or whatever his name is. Please don't put misinformation out there.

Posted by Aria Diamond on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 18:06pm

It's interesting there are no country acts on the ballot this year. And I know all of these artists' music except Oasis and Peter Frampton so I'll give them a listen. Anyone have any suggestions? I'm beyond excited to see Cher, Mariah Carey, Sade, Mary J Blige, Kool and The Gang and Foreigner and Sinead O Conor on there.

Posted by Aria Diamond on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 18:28pm

Why no poll this year for the nominees on FRL?

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 18:40pm

Aria diamond,

Her 2000s albums are so much better than the 90s I'm actually enjoying these way more. So many actually good songs which I assume come from her break w Tommy Motorola which I guess creatively stifled her? Still not like my personal thing and I still don't say she's worthy personally, however I can no longer say all her stuff is crap cause I have been substantially proven wrong in that department.

Emancipation of Mimi and MC2 definitely are good albums

Also I'm sorry about saying she was managed by Azoff, that was a mistake in my part that I made cause I was mad she's nominated (I still don't want her in)

Posted by Will m on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 18:48pm

Also daydream is a crap album EXCEPT for Fantasy which is really very good. Far from my pick for best song of the 90s but it's great.

Also the daydream interlude from that album is pretty good too

Posted by Will M on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 18:49pm

Also I liked her cover of of bringin on the heartbreak a decent bit


Her cover of open arms wasn't great tho,

Then again Bringin on is my favorite Def Leppard song and open arms is my least favorite journey single

Posted by Will m on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 18:52pm

Some general, random nomination thoughts on Sade, one of the most exciting nominations this year for me

1. VERY happy the recognize Sade is a band, not a solo artist. Because of the marketing there's implication from some that it's a solo artist (cough Songwriters Hall of Fame) and not a group effort and prior history of snubs I was worried they were going to just induct her. Luckily the Hall has got better and refers to them as a band, and this year doing far better with inducting all the important members of groups for all nominees which was one of my long complaints.

2. Sade's main issue this year is going head to head with Mary J Blige and splitting the R&B vote. They come from different sides of R&B, different influences and approaches entirely to the genre, and I don't think there's much overlap on listeners (I listen to Sade quite a bit but never MJB). MJB is one of around two artists in the genre I think could take votes away from Sade to a point of damaging chances since they are the same genre and MJB is an equal if not bigger name, so this is probably the worst possible artist for Sade to go against. Kool might also take the older votes away from her. I think with the tougher group this split might end their chances this year.

3. However, I think they have a great shot at being inducted the next 3 years. Note they have a LOT of support and credit. Songwriters Hall of Fame, massive critical and commercial success including in US, influential to later generations, placed among best artists/albums/songs ever, Songwriters HOF, their resume is absolutely solid. They have the R&B vote, black votes, critics votes, British votes, younger age votes. They are reaching a wide range of voter bases as well that will help chances. I think if they aren't going against MJB or Beyonce they are being inducted. I could even see them being a dark horse this year for entry depending on voter base. People underestimate their chances hard.

Posted by Guest on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 19:51pm

Wil M,

I appreciate you taking the time to listen to Mariah Carey's music objectively. But ouch! at your dislike of the Daydream album lol. That and the Butterfly album are my favorite 90s albums.Mainly because they're more R&B centric.

My favorite cover song is Def Leppard's Bringing On The Heartbreak too.

Who are some of your favorite artists? If I don't know their music, maybe I can give them a listen as well? I'm always open to other artists music.

I love Foreigner too! Im so happy they made the ballot and hope they get in.

Posted by Aria Diamond on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 20:27pm

At the risk of being slammed for having an opinion about something, I am in agreement with Will M on Mariah Carey. She does have a fair chance of being inducted, but is by no means a lock. When you think about it, you can have all the fans you want, but if you don't have the votes from voting members of the Rock Hall, you won't get in. And the voting members are largely critics and people who have already been inducted into the Rock Hall. Mariah Carey is not particularly known for her ability to get along with others and I think she may have much less support in the voting body than one might assume. There are, I think, reasons she has never been nominated before despite having a popular career.

Mariah is talented. Not as much as she thinks she is, IMHO. I personally consider music artistry to be something different than the ability to hit notes. To me, it's the ability to convey emotions through songs, which is something I think Mariah, who can certainly perform vocal pyrotechnics, is not very good at. Others may disagree.

Something that is true of Mariah Carey: She wastes no time boasting about her 19 #1 singles, but doesn't mention that at least a third of her number one songs are songs that the general public would have a hard time remembering.

Why were they number one songs, then?

The answer to that has to do with changing methodology toward computing chart positions on the Billboard charts.
At various points in time, there have been different formulas that Billboard magazine used to compute Chart rankings.
At times, chart positions have been determined entirely by airplay or entirely by sales figures, although much of the time, a combination of airplay and sales figures. The demise of the 7 inch single (which I have thousands of) and the CD single (which I have hundreds of) when , changed things. There was a period of time when it was required for there to be a physical single of a song before it could chart on the Billboard charts. It's wasn't like today, where when Drake releases a new album every song on it hits the Top 40. Today's charts are based upon a combination of album sales, on-line purchases of single songs, airplay and streaming.

But, throughout most of the years record charts have existed, it was required that either a vinyl or CD single be available for a song to chart. But, CD singles tended to cost $3.99 to $4.99 at a time where you could buy most albums for about 3 times as much as a single song. So, record companies, who realized that price differential wasn't that great, realized they would be better off, because they didn't make much profit off of them, not releasing CD singles of songs, wanting to rake in the extra profit they would get from sales of a whole album, which wasn't that much more. This is why if you will look up the chart position of songs like No Doubt's "Don't Speak", which everyone would assume would have been a 10 week plus number one song, you will find that "Don't Speak" didn't chart at all on the Billboard Hot 100. There wasn't a physical copy of the single, which was again required to make the chart.

When CD singles were still issued, they made a song eligible to chart, and every sale from a CD single would count as one point toward a chart position, REGARDLESS of what the price of that CD single was. So if someone paid one cent for a CD single it would count one point toward a chart position, the same amount as if they paid the usual $3.99 to $4.99 for one song (and usually some remixes of that song )

At the time record companies largely stopped deciding to issue CD singles, Mariah Carey was very popular. And she continued to put out CD singles of every song she could. Not only did she do that, but she would deep discount her CD singles. I personally remember walking into record stores and seeing Mariah Carey singles during this time period selling for 39 cents.

Now it took much more than 39 cents to produce, ship and market a CD single, so that every CD single that Mariah would release would be sold for a considerable loss by her record company, which I think was Sony at that time.

Why would a record label, whose primary interest should be profit, sell a CD single for a substantial loss? And why would an artist, who would like to make as much money as they can by selling a product of their artistry to the public, agree to do so?

The only reason I can think of for doing this is to secure another #1 single for bragging rights. An ego thing.

If someone who was an on the fence Mariah Carey fan would show up at a record store and discover that they could buy a Mariah single for 39 cents, for much less than it would cost to buy a pack of gum, you would have a number of Mariah fans do exactly that. And since No Doubt's, and Natalie Imbruglia's record labels had made the financial decision to NOT release "Don't Speak" or "Torn" as a chart-qualifying CD singles, Mariah had very little competition to secure from other songs. It would take very little sales to make a song a Number One single because there weren't very many CD singles released then.

These sort of chart games that Mariah's record labels made, no doubt with her agreement as a major artist on the label, substantially inflated Mariah's list of #1 singles, so songs like "My All", or "Honey", which very few other than devoted Mariah fans would know, are included in the list of 19 number one singles that Mariah very frequently mentions whenever she has a chance. They are fake number ones, in my opinion.

And these chart games led to changes of methodology of compiling the Billboard Hot 100.

(A side note: Changing chart methodologies make it impossible to compare relative popularities of artists. As an example, the Beatles made the decision not to release physical copies of any of the songs on Sgt. Pepper or the White Album.

Were these albums released today, every song on those albums would have made the Top 40, and there would be several number one songs off each of those albums, instead of there being zero charting singles on the Billboard Top/Hot 100 from those albums. In the 60's artists would rarely release more than two songs as a physical single off an album.)

I'm not a music insider, just an ardent fan in the past of record charts. And if I know about these stories of Mariah and her labels playing chart games to inflate her popularity, you can certainly assume that people who work in the industry, critics and artists, the very people who will be voting for the Rock Hall inductees, know them as well. She'll probably get in away, but I don't consider her a lock.

I'm not denying Mariah's talent and popularity. She sold a lot of albums for a while at full price. A lot of people obviously liked her a lot. Connie Francis, who was the most popular female artist in America in the 1960's, sold a lot of records, too. A lot of people obviously liked her a lot. Neither them are my cup of tea. I consider neither of them worthy of the Rock Hall. What is good and not good is strictly a matter of opinion. Who should be and should not be in the Rock Hall is exactly the same, a matter of opinion.

Posted by Eric Tompkins on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 20:43pm

Aria diamond,

Beatles are essential. Billy Joel as well, Bruce, Elvis Costello, talking heads, Patti smith, hendrix, Fleetwood Mac, eagles, stones, blondie, the clash, Tom petty, Ramones, Elton John, Led Zeppelin, Crosby stills Nash and Neil young, bob Dylan, the who, and many others are my favorite artists. How about you?


Eric Thompkins

Really hit the mail on the head, lots of stuff I knew about (90s charts were weird) and another stuff I didn't (Mariah using weird charts to get #1s)
I actually noted honey as a particular highlight from the butterfly album, but it wasn't one I was familiar with prior.

Posted by Will M on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 20:56pm

Who I think will be inducted:

Ozzy - He's the only metal performer on the ballot & given his recent health status, it's a matter of time that he gets his possible second induction before he passes. Plus I don't think the Hall would go another year without a metal act being included.

Cher - Put her in so we can move on from the whole debacle about her refusal for entry.

Mariah Carey - Never liked her but she's way too important to be ignored on her first try, plus Whitney is in so can Carey!

Tribe - Maybe it will finally be their year for Tribe given the fact they were tried against Eminem & Missy Elliott. Plus OutKast isn't on the ballot so it will be ATCQ's victory this time.

DMB - Another act I don't like, however given the fact they were the first band to win the fan vote but not induction proves that the voters cannot repeat the same mistake.

Kool & The Gang - The Spinners' induction last year proves that there's always gonna more R&B acts getting voted in no matter the circumstances.

Who I think won't be inducted:

Sinead O'Connor - Nothing against O'Connor, but her nomination feels like a sentimental prize than an artistic qualification just because of her recent passing. She'll probably be better off as an side category honoree, not as a full fledged performer.

Peter Frampton - He's more qualified for Musical Excellence than performer since his career only had one remarkable album & I don't care about the boomers hard on for him.

Oasis - I'm torn on this as Oasis are one of the most influential bands in the 90's making britpop an legitimate art form, they're definitely worthy of an honor. What's hurting them is they don't have enough mainstream in the US & the constant feuds between the Gallagher bros further stain their chances. They will get in, just not this year.

Foreigner - Just because Foreigner sold records & have asses in concerts doesn't make them true Hall of Famers, they're most likely are in the Journey/Bon Jovi/Steve Miller/Doobie Brothers lane than Zeppelin/Floyd/Sabbath/Ramones/Clash/Pistols one. They don't belong period.

Lenny Kravitz - I think nomination will go far as getting any kind of recognition from the Hall. I just don't see Kravitz getting in at all. It just feels like a participation award.

Mary J. Blige - It won't be her year since she's facing competition from Carey & Cher, there's always next time.

Sade - Not even gonna happen at all despite their incredible influence & they're most likely aren't gonna be returning too.

Jane's Addiction - They'll most likely are going to wait a certain time just like Soundgarden & they're gonna end up as side category inductees.

Eric B. & Rakim - LL Cool J route in the near future.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 21:43pm

Jordan Einstein,

I think that they'll do 7 Performer inductees again this year.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 21:51pm

Eric Tompkins,

Thanks for your sharing info. Could you share more information about charts? I think Man in the Box by Alice in Chains was played on MTV on the time and was a song probably everyone knows, but it did not chart. Seven Nation Army is a song everyone knows but it does not even enter top 50. Black Hole Sun by Soundgarden is famous but it did not chart. Metallica are heared by everyone by they only have one top 10 song and no top 1 song. It is strange.

Honestly I think, Mariah Carey will be inducted alone by all i want is Christmas. But I see all these white rock voters will all vote for foreigner, which makes them a bigger lock

Posted by power on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 22:01pm

I will give the edge to Oasis over DMB. The reason is that DMB have a more huge cult following but not that welcomed by causual popular listeners. DMB is even more similar with Iron Maiden in kinds of popularity. Also, even in US, wonderwall and even maybe dont look back in anger is more famous than any dmb songs. And Oasis already have a dedicated voting body voting for them but we are not sure DMB will get full support from American voters. But Dave engaged in last year ceremony definitely makes him friendly with industry people can help him to be included

Posted by power on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 22:07pm

Eric Tompkins,

Wow. I have to say I'm not looking forward to the hit pieces and essays like this one on Mariah Carrey. And it's usually men who say this crap.

So you mean to tell me everyone knows all or even half of Elvis or The Beatles songs today? It's just Mariah? Fans couldn't care less about the high notes Mariah hits. If we could have her rich tone and perfect pitch back, we'd gladly take that over any high note. That's not even why we became fans.

And how can you say she lacks artistry when she writes or co writes her own songs and comes up with the melodies herself. Mariah let's it be known she's a songwriter every chance she gets. She practically says it in every interview. Not how many #1s she has. What bs.

It's just really bizzare Mariah is starting to get recognized for her contribution in music, yet some are tripping over themselves trying to prove she's not worthy. That she's really not that talented. And those same people probably haven't even accomplished half of what she's accomplished. What a shame.

Posted by Aria Diamond on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 22:38pm

At least the Beatles have Hey Jude, In My Life, Let it be, Love me do, She Loves You, I Want to Hold Your Hand, Yesterday, Come Together, All you need is love, way more memorable songs in today than Mariah Carey...

Posted by trea on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 22:58pm

Then I'll put Oasis or Foreigner as part of "who I think will be inducted" lane.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 23:05pm

Power,

With regards to charting for those songs/bands you mentioned:

Billboard magazine has a number of different charts with different genres. Those have changed somewhat over the years. Whenever someone is talking about #1 songs generically, they're talking about whatever tops the Billboard Hot 100, which use be be the Top 100, I think.



"Man In the Box" did hit the Billboard Rock Mainstream Rock Chart at #18 back in 1991. Despite that relatively low charting position, it has been certified as triple platinum, meaning, since its release date, iit has sold over 3,000,000 copies including physical sales, internet streaming and electronic purchases, the most of any AIC song.

"Seven Nation Army" hit number 76 on the Hot 100 in 2003 and #1 on the US Alternative Charts, which I think, is entirely airplay based.

"Black Hole Sun" was one of those songs that was put out in that time period where record labels didn't want CD single sales to cannibalize album sales to it did not chart in America, as a physical CD single was required in order to chart. It would almost certainly have been a Top 40 hit, Soundgarden's only one, based upon the amount of airplay it got at the time of release. There was a strictly airplay chart in Billboard then, where Black Hole Sun peaked at 24.

Metallica's popularity came after radio stations had become fragmented into different genres. It used to be that you could listen to a radio station in the 70's, and hear Kenny Rogers followed by Led Zeppelin. Radio listener research discovered that people would change the station if you challenged them too much like that, so when Metallica became very popular around the time of the black album, their airplay, a very important part of chart computation at that time, was mostly through strictly rock stations, and didn't garner enough plays to chart high on the general charts. Metallica did have 3 songs make the Top 40 off of the black album, "Enter Sandman" at 16, The "Unforgiven" at 35 and "Nothing Else Matters" at 34.

A high chart position doesn't always guarantee longevity, though. Songs like these have stood the test of time despite their chart positions. You are certainly more likely to hear them on the radio than
"You Light Up My Life" by Debby Boone, which was the longest a song was at number one on the Top 100 in 70's, ten weeks.

Posted by Eric Tompkins on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 23:32pm

DEVO (Musical excellence) and MC5 (early influence) are locks for side categories but I think we could see 1 more previously nominated act there: Chuck Willis. He's had as many nominations as MC5 and clears up a previous nomination which seems like something important after recent side categories for Wray and khan, 2023 was the first year I remember where the total number of previous nominees went down. That could also go to Ben E King Johnny Ace or even joe Tex (someone out there must like him) but I've got a feeling about Chuck Willis to be on there

Cyndi Warren JDNO and white stripes (4) joined the list while Kate Bush, Spinners, Rage, Wray and Chaka left the list (5) subtracted 1 from that list

Posted by Will m on Sunday, 02/11/2024 @ 23:42pm

Aria,

I don't consider what I wrote as a hit piece at all and I apologize if it came off that way. It's clear that you and I will never agree on the merit or lack of merit of Mariah Carey. And that's okay. As I said, it's all opinion.

But to imply that I have a bias against Mariah because I have male gender, I think, is not correct. I have a fairly extensive popular musical collection, including all genres of music. I have physical copies of almost all of the 55,000 + songs that I have downloaded onto an iTunes program. Of my top ten most played songs, 7 of them feature female vocalists, including, 7 of the Top 8. In my (old) car, I have a 6-CD changer. Five of the 6 CD's in there are by female artists. I like female artists, particularly female singer-songwriters.

And I'm sure that you are correct, that half of people NOWADAYS
wouldn't know half or all songs by the Beatles or Elvis. The Beatles broke up in 1970, over 50 years ago and Elvis has been dead for over 45 years. But, if you limited identification of Beatles songs that were #1 songs, that is, the really big hits and you applied a similar time after their release to the time of release after Mariah's output, with her success starting in 1990, I think you would find, 34 years after the Beatles put out their first songs in 1962, in 1996, almost everyone would know "Love Me Do", "She Loves You", "I Want to Hold Your Hand", "Can't Buy Me Love", "A Hard Day's Night", "I Feel Fine", "Eight Days A Week", "Help!", "Yesterday- the most recorded song in pop history), "We Can Work It Out", "Paper Back Writer", "Penny Lane",
"All You Need Is Love", "Hello Goodbye", "Hey Jude", "Get Back", "Something". "Let It Be" and the "Long and Winding Road", unless they just didn't care about music or didn't listen to the radio.

But I have to point out, in 2024, 34 years after Mariah Carey's first successful release, compare those songs to "Vision of Love", "Love Takes Time", "Someday", "I Don't Wanna Cry", "Emotions", "I'll Be There", "Dreamlover", "Hero", "All I Want For Christmas Is You", "Fantasy", "One Sweet Day", "Always Be My Baby", "Honey", "My All",
"Heartbreaker", "Thank God I Found You", "We Belong Together", "Don't Forget About Us", "Touch My Body". All of those songs YOU undoubtedly know quite well, the great fan of Mariah that you are.
But I don't think most people come close to you in knowing those songs, particularly the more recent ones. I will give you that EVERYONE knows "All I Want For Christmas Is You", which, I will grant you, I think is a great song and a Christmas classic.

I make a point about listening to different genres of music and I grew up listening to the radio. But I don't think I, or most people, would ironically remember at all "Don't Forget About Us", "Touch Your Body", "Honey" or "My All". Two of those, "Honey", and "My All" were released during the time where a physical release of a single was required for the record to chart and I remember seeing both of those deep discounted on their first week of release to 39 cents. They are number one songs (the type of songs that any lover of music should know), whether they like the song or not. (Disco Duck was a number one song and I'm not sure whether it's great or terrible, but it IS memorable I'm not sure I've ever heard "Honey" or "My All". I vaguely remember "Love Takes Time" and don't remember "Someday", and "I Don't Wanna Cry", although I'm sure if I hear them again 34 years after their release, I would probably remember them again, because I would have heard them hundreds of times. They were legitimate big hits, I remember by title, but to me, they're just not very memorable songs. I don't think I'm alone in this, but I could be wrong. I would wonder what the rest of the contributors of this site would think about this.

What we like in music is partly a reflection of our personal life experiences, all of which are different. One man's trash is another's treasure. Most people think the best music EVER is the music that was on the radio when we were 14-16 years old, and we all have cultural and geographical biases.

Mariah Carey just doesn't do it for me and I don't think she belongs in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. You disagree with me entirely. And it's all good.

Posted by Eric Tompkins on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 00:50am

My rankings of worthiness of the RRHOF in descending order (most to least):

1. Mariah Carey
2. Cher
3. Kool & the Gang
4. Sade
5. Oasis
6. Mary J. Blige
7. Ozzy Osbourne
8. Lenny Kravitz
9. Jane's Addiction
10. Peter Frampton
11. A Trybe Called Quest
12. Foreigner
13. Erik B. and Rakim
14. Dave Mathews Band
15. Sinead O'Connor

Remember. This is my opinion. I'll go into detail further down the line

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 01:08am

Eric,

To address your point about Mariah not having memorable enough music to be in the Hall Of Fame compared to others. Yes, many of her songs have just been fad pop hits that people forgot about. But her BEST work has remained timeless and has the straming figures to prove it. If you look on the chartmasters website they have a tool which counts Spotify streams. In 93, 94, and 95. Her albums are among the few with streams over 500+ million. Right there with highly acclaimed artists you would likely consider deserving like Alanis, No Doubt, Mobb Deep, Radiohead, etc. Now the reason this is so significant is because the streaming era began circa 2010. So for her songs to still have such high streams when they we're released in the 90's means it has resonated with people. Why? Because she's actually talented and one of the best vocalists of all time and for some people, her voice and her music is soulful and moves them emotionally. That's what Rock & Roll is all about.

Not only that, She's appeared on many of The Rolling Stone Greatest lists. (And we all know how closely tied they are with the rock hall) One for her song Fantasy, and one for her album "The Emancipation Of Mimi", the original 100 greatest vocalists of all time list and the newest 200 greatest singers of all time list where she was voted the greatest singer alive at #5. Mind you, these lists were voted on by the same music industry figures that are putting in ballots for the RRHOF.

She might not be your cup of tea but she's just as deserving as anyone else. She's a lock, period.

Posted by Ralib on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 03:10am

Peter Frampton and Foreigner will be like Chicago and Steve Miller in 2016, they will be inducted together. I think Cher is the biggest lock, then Mariah Carey. Kool & the Gang are the hits machine and they will get both boomer votes and black votes, even some popular votes. I think Oasis, Tribe, Mary J, Lenny, DMB, Sinead, Sade, all have chance to be inducted. Jane's Addiction, EBAR, see you next time.

EBAR and Tribe are clearly two top choice for rock hall in hip hop spots. We do not know who are the next ones.

I feel suddenly Boston, J Geils Band, Paul Rodgers and even Jethro Tull all are possible to be nominated. I expect Boston to be nominated in the next year.

Posted by Timmy on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 03:44am

https://ultimateclassicrock.com/rock-hall-of-fame-foreigner-styx/?utm_source=tsmclip&utm_medium=referral

Wenner replied, "There is talk of that, but I don't control that. I'm not on the nominating committee." Asked specifically about Foreigner, he said, "Nothing against Foreigner – in fact, I was very good friends with Mick Jones … but, you know, Foreigner's name has never come up in a nominating committee to be nominated."

You can listen to the interview below.

Maron also asked about REO Speedwagon, Boston and Styx, but Wenner said none of them had been mentioned either. "No, that whole era, it doesn't come up," he noted. "I grew up in that era, I went to high school in that era," Maron replied. "Well, you're not gonna get in the Hall of Fame either!" Wenner joked. He went on to cite another example: "Bon Jovi – it took years for him to get in."

How many of Foreigner, REO Speedwagon, Boston and Styx will be eventually inducted

Posted by power on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 05:00am

There is very healthy talk and differentiating opinions on if Mariah in particular should be in the hall of not. Great points being argued on both fields. People need to calm down though, if you're 100% sure she's getting inducted (which I predicted as happening even before nominations) surely people not agreeing with giving unanimous praise and approval should not make you irrational angry since it wouldn't matter. Maybe I just don't get stans.

Posted by Guest on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 05:50am

Random thought on the Ahmet awards: I think they might go with more dead people for those. Grubman and Iovine ate up a lot of time during 2022 ceremony, while this year Don Cornelius video package went smooth as butter (complete with spinners soul train transition) and likely allowed time for the Rumble performance with Jimmy Page. I'll theorize they put in dead executives or managers get the Ahmet this year, like Estelle Stewart or Walter Yetnikoff

Posted by Will m on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 06:05am

My take on Mariah:

She's going to get in regardless. She's a pop icon with a legendary career. However, she's facing off Cher in the "diva vs diva" lane. There might be some voters who would vote for Cher over Mariah simply because she's the older diva with longevity.

Do I think Mariah is getting in this year? It's tough to make a prediction right now because she has to deal with Cher.

Posted by Elle Dee on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 06:21am

I still think the limit should be 5 nominations before you're forced into side category - anything less and you haven't let voters take their time to get them in. Baseball Hall of Fame is stricter and even then you can get 10 ballots so putting people in side category after 2/3 is dumb. MC5 and Chic will never get in as voters have constantly proved so that's fine. Devo is way too early at 3 unless they placed literal last each time and will be seen very negatively like Judas Preist if the inductees are very pop star heavy. I don't think they should do it and not 100% sure it will be this time, people are taking the ceremony in Cleveland part too heavy. They will be back in Cleveland in 3 years regardless

Posted by Guest on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 06:25am

I just can't believe OutKast didn't get nommed. Someone important in the nomination process has a beef with them, it appears.

Posted by Paul in KY on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 07:02am

I don't know if any of you guys are reading discourse about the ballot but it's landing hilariously badly for 3 reasons

1) people are disgusted by the Sinead nomination. It feels exploitive

2) the Outkast snub is becoming confusing to rapheads because they're so important and popular

3) no one understands nominating Lenny Kravitz over 90s rock acts in particular Weezer

Pretty funny

Posted by Mat r on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 07:55am

Mat r,

could you give me a link to disclosure, thanks!

Posted by power on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 08:08am

I'd like to suggest more durable moderation from the site's administrators, or at least request citation for every claim of historical argument. Also people are STILL using The Beatles and Elvis as metrics to determine the propriety of HoF induction? Still? In 2024? Carey's hits are as legitimate as The Bealtes' hits or Elvis's hits or Michael Jackson's hits or Madonna's hits. Hence the fact that most of Carey's hits have occupied the top position for 3+ weeks and are on Billboard's all time list. Further, she achieved most of her 90's hits through airplay, not through brick and mortar sales.

Your chart source: "trust me, I was there". Well, if we're going to use subjective evidence to substantiate our thesis, then I was there at HMVs and Record Cities too, and I distinctly remember her late 90's singles costing 7.99-9.99+ USD which was HIGHER than the average cost at that time because most of her physical releases were effectively EPs with multiple genre versions of the single (one of her innovations as a pop star was to modulate the single with both hip hop and house mixes).

BTW if payola disqualifies HoF induction, then go ahead and shut down the entire establishment. Everybody inducted between 1986-1991 (50's rock and rollers, Motown, et. al). Served. Charged. Guilty. Jail. Electric chair. Elvis, of course, being the apex example: https://www.nytimes.com/1959/11/22/archives/alan-freed-is-out-in-payola-study-disk-jockey-refuses-to-sign-wabc.html

Today it is standard E.V.E.R.Y. S.I.N.G.L.E. major star to use tactics to boost their single's ranking, only with a contemporary formula: digital EP with generic cuts of the single + discount + radio deal + Spotify playlist position (cc: Taylor Swift). Btw, Mariah was the victim of playlist tactics last year when Brenda Lee's team buried the Carey Christmas song midway down the queue of the #1 Christmas playlist on Spotify, when Carey occupied the top position every other day of the year because it had the most streams.

Carey's number one songs aren't any more unknown to the non-Carey listener, than non-Beatles listeners are unfamiliar with theirs. Just like the objective fact that you do not represent the general public anymore than a Carey fanatic. Enough already with the mental gymnastics about this woman. ***When it starts peddling into fake news, then it becomes an issue.*** There have been multiple attempts to leverage falsified information against her by multiple users, including claims about her management, lawyers and connections to Hall voters.

P.S. Nobody knows "My All"
The Voice contestant in 2023: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yor61pKcCkk
The Voice France contestant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EK5RYpn_LQ
"BbbbuTTt oNly HeR fAnz KNoW tHaT sOnG" well, duh. That's how music consumption works, shouldn't most rational adults know that by now? E.g. I'm not a Metallica fan and I can't name a single song or note from any record they've ever touched, but I'm not going to serve word salads to try and prove that there isn't a significant demographic out of the general public which exists outside of my own flesh that can name every obscure Metallica record at the drop of a hat. And I'm not going to deny that isn't a LARGE demographic.

Please, Rock Hall, put an end to the misery on this board and induct Mariah Carey already. And while you're at it, put Barbra Streisand and Britney Spears on the same ballot next year.

Posted by ChrisD on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 08:22am

Fanatical fans in entertainment circles are truly frightening.

Posted by trea on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 08:26am

Hey guys I have not been here in awhile so to summarize my thoughts. I appreciate the genre diversity, but yeah not feeling too strong on a lot of these acts. Not that they are deserving it doesn't exactly have that competitive nature from last year's. Here's my predictions with reasons:

Cher (Lock and icon regardless of a very career complier resume)
Mariah Carey (Lock, Diamond certified album act, and arguably the biggest music act on the ballot by far)
A Tribe Called Quest (3 times the charm and have the critics to rally them. Also fits my theory of the Hall always inducting only two previous nom acts on even years)
Foreigner (Boomer Rock radio pick and to throw the finger to Wenner)
Ozzy Osbourne (Icon, #1 Fan Vote Winner, and has lots of exposure in the mainstream that many Heavy Metal Acts struggle with)
DMB (Like some stated think they want to remedy the heckling from 4 years ago and also fits my theory for the other previous nom act along with Tribe. See Tribe for more)

Overall, not a bad class but certainly telling that the Hall wants some cash after last year's didn't bring the numbers and views.

Posted by Plebeian on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 08:36am

There are likely 8-9 inductees, 7 at minimum

Posted by power on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 08:39am

Also Kool and the Gang who I think has a chance in that Boomer voters and black voters can rally behind well while also keeping them in the middle of the pack compared to the others.

Posted by Plebeian on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 08:40am

ChrisD

id actually be really supportive of britney spears induction

also i apoligise for being so vehemently against mariah and my false assumption of her irving azoff connection. ive listened to her music now and yea i can admit, she wouldnt be an egrigous error to be inducted.

Streisand tho, i mean if you put her in then welcome Manilow and Dion. the main thing the sykes era has been pushing is "youth culture". Barbara is "adult contempory". a bit counter intutive. and streisand has some good songs too. but i just dont see it at all.

*sure Willie, Spinners, Carly Simon, etc were all adults making very mature adult oriented songs, however i believe they pass cause those songs still have that young appeal. i know plenty of girls i know who adore youre so vain and willie had the famous outlaw stuff. barbara just doesnt really have anything of the sort

also i really love carly and spinners and willie has some great songs

Posted by Will M on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 08:43am

See I was hoping that this place wouldnt have the pretentious views it had but I was hoping for too much clearly. In what world is Mariah not worthy? She has the hits, has the talent (one of the greatest singers ever, a pen that is both acclaimed and successful and producing talent that you all choose to ignore). She has the influence as well. If you guys can stomach Madonna being inducted, why is Mariah any different?

I at first did think she was a lock but I underestimated how beloved Cher is (who, controversially, I dont necessarily think she needs a Hall of Fame induction or at least not before certain other acts INCLUDING Mariah) and she might for sure get blocked. But if this year is a no, then next year will be her's for sure. Either way she is getting in and deserves to be there alongside all the great divas of R&B have before her.

Posted by ABJ on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 08:54am

While Dave Matthews Band has received significant attention, particularly following Dave Matthews's appearances at last year's ceremony where he networked with industry figures, they are encountering stiff competition in this year's ballot. Classic rock acts like Peter Frampton and Foreigner, both long overdue for induction into the Hall of Fame, boast extensive catalogs of memorable hit songs, setting a high standard for DMB to meet. Moreover, DMB faces formidable competition from other 90s rockers such as Oasis and Lenny Kravitz, who have achieved greater fame with more famous hit singles. If you were to randomly stop an American on the street and ask them to name a song by these acts, they would likely be more familiar with songs by Lenny Kravitz or Oasis than with those by DMB.

One notable challenge for DMB is their lack of US top 10 hit songs, potentially limiting their appeal to casual listeners. Despite their dedicated fanbase, they may not enjoy the same level of mainstream popularity as acts like U2, Green Day, or Nirvana. In many respects, DMB's popularity aligns more closely with that of a cult band like Iron Maiden, characterized by a devoted following but perhaps not as widely embraced by the broader popular audience. Despite their significant achievements, they face an uphill battle against competitors with more mainstream recognition and a string of hit singles.

Posted by power on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 08:54am

You'd only get 8-9 performers if they are tied on ballot or if there's an artist where they think if they don't do it now they'll never be inducted, and if 8-9 happens all side categories will be severely lacking (if done at all) due to ceremony time constraints

7 seems about what they want to do, just under half make it in so it's still slightly selective while making the backlog slightly less atrocious and not make the ceremony 10 hours

Posted by Guest on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 08:55am

I think there will likely have ties on the ballot. Remember voters can vote 7. And I can give you some assumption, RNB/pop voters vote for all of Mariah Carey, Mary J Blige, Lenny Kravtiz, Cher, Kool and the Gang, and rockers all vote for Foreigner, Peter Frampton, British voters almost all vote for Oasis and Sade, finally, it is not impossible that some of them get similar number of votes. I could see most of votes from same camp that two similar acts (Carey/Blige or Frampton/Foreigner or Tribe/Eric B and Rakim) will be voted together. If voters have only 5 choices, they may only vote for 1 of them but not they can vote for both. Voting for 7 makes more uncertainty for final result and makes more possible ties.

Yes, the rock hall wants 7 in each class but 8-9 are not impossible.

Posted by power on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 09:10am

Oasis update: Liam is currently trashing the rock hall on Twitter. Not exactly unexpected

Posted by Will M on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 09:33am

I wonder how peter Frampton will land with the u50 crowd, who might only know him from the Simpsons, and the industry crowd.

I wish when Joe and Kristen do their ballot episodes that they'd get more concert promoters rather than anr, writers and critics cause that wing seems to be more accurate to who is getting in

Posted by Mat r on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 09:37am

Oasis is are. I will predict others other than Oasis

Posted by power on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 09:38am

Oasis is done. I will predict others other than Oasis

Posted by power on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 09:43am

If Mariah Carey and Cher both get in this year (which I fully expect them to), I'm gonna take a risk and bet on Celine Dion appearing on the ballot next year on the heels of Mariah and Cher, because like Mariah and Cher, Celine is another iconic Pop Diva, plus she has a new documentary about her life, career and her battle with Stiff Person Syndrome coming out this year called I Am: Celine Dion that will be streamed on Amazon Prime Video later this year and we all know that the Rock Hall loves their documentaries, so I'm gonna take a risk and bet on Celine appearing on the ballot next year on the heels of Mariah and Cher.

Posted by richie on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 09:53am

I dont put anyone out at this point. Tge Sex Pistols and Steve Miller bashed the hall contemporaneously when they were in consideration and still went in

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 10:00am

I forgot to list my predictions! Since they are now giving us 7 choices in the daily vote I'll list the ones I think have the best shot (not necesarily the ones I WANT to get in)

Cher
Foreigner
Ozzy Osbourne
A Tribe Called Quest
Dave Matthews Band
Mariah Carey
Oasis

Posted by ABJ on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 10:05am

I love, love, love Celine and everyone who knows me and sees my listening records will support this. but unlike Mariah, Whitney and Janet, the case for Celine has little ground among most people. Any influence she has is probably largely concentrated on Vegas and international audiences so that is probably why she wont get in.

Posted by ABJ on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 10:13am

Power,

What are your updated predictions for the 2024 inductees?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 10:21am

Richie that's a very good prediction. I'm agreeing with you here. After this year a lot of the obvious eligible pop stars are in but not Celine. The one other option is Pink being eligible next year but mixed on if she gets nominated first year or they wait a few years. Then after that is Alicia Keys, who may or may not also, and then a huge year with Beyoncé and Timberlake who will for sure. Even if they go with Pink and Keys immediately they like two pop star slots it feels. Before that wave comes they are trying to get Mariah in and I see Celine coming right after just before it becomes too heavy with newer stars in 3 years

Posted by Guest on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 10:22am

richie

cher
maria
ozzy
foreigner
peter frampton
kool
lenny/tribe/sinead

I think my top 6 are all lock but seventh is open. I probably will decide it in April finally

Posted by power on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 10:29am

This award is becoming a poor man version of Grammy

Posted by power on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 10:29am

Sinead is gonna get musical excellence. I just can't see a universe where she is nominated only a few months after her death and doesn't get in. It would be too cringe to bear. She only released about 60 songs in her entire career at most.

But damn is "troy" an artistic masterpiece, a career defining track much like bjorks "joga".

It's a 6 minute alternative pop rock opera about the childhood abuse and subsequent family division (mostly sung to her siblings) with 6-7 emotions all at once sung in a way never before done. Regret, anguish, pride, rage, contemplation, nostalgia, dignity, bravery, fear, Absolute masterpiece, and on her debut no less, I've had it on repeat for a week now. I think y'all are sleeping on Sinead.

Posted by Mikhail on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 10:31am

Power,

My predictions:

Mariah Carey
Cher
Foreigner
Peter Frampton
Kool & The Gang
Ozzy Osbourne

7th spot (and likely 8 and 9th spot since voters can now vote for 7 names instead of 5 so the votes will likely be very close) is between Mary J. Blige, Dave Matthews Band and Lenny Kravitz.

As much as I love Sinead O'Connor, I just have a really hard time seeing her get in on her first nomination especially if Kate Bush took 4 tries to get in, so I see Sinead possibly doing the same.

I think that A Tribe Called Quest and Eric B. & Rakim will cancel each other out since they're both not big enough Rap/Hip-Hop acts to get in over bigger names on the ballot. so I see them both canceling each other out this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 10:40am

LOL though at Liam's twitter post that's such classic Oasis

I cannot see this changing anything for their chances. The hall does not punish people if the trash it publicly, it's seen as a rock move in itself. If that was true Cher and Ozzy's chances would be absolutely zero. And it's the Galligher brothers, you do not nominate them expecting no drama, no fights and them not trashing everyone, that's part of their whole thing. Hall members are aware

Posted by Guest on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 10:47am

Guest,

There's one other huge Pop Star besides Celine Dion that is still waiting in the wings to get nominated and that is Britney Spears, I expect that she'll get nominated in the next year or two just like Celine.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 10:55am

richie,

I agree with you with the 6, these 6 are almost lock or a least 70%-80% likely to be inducted.

I think many voters and past inductees will have sympathy over Sinead and may at least consider voting for her to tribute to her, plus Nothing Compares 2 U is way more famous than Running Up that Hill in US. Willie Nelson, Ray Davies, Bob Dylan, Roger Waters, Micheal Stripes, U2, Tom Morello, LL Cool J, Chuck D, Eurythmics, Pearl Jam, Van Morrison, Peter Gabriel and even Kate Bush, different acts from different genres and eras all have some connection or admiration to Sinead. She is beloved by both old and young generation. She has the best chance in this year that people are mourning her now. I feel she is a darkhorse. I feel she has good chance but I could be wrong. I will vote for her instead of Oasis in fan votes.

I talked about DMB in previous posts. See above.

Mary J Blige is also a darkhouse but she will compete with Mariah, Lenny (he is also pop/rnb related), Sade, some extent Kool and the Gang and two rap acts. No clear path for her but I will not count her off.

I think the legacy and poplarity of Tribe and EBAR are similar, I do not think Tribe are obviously superior than EBAR, they may split votes rather than Tribe have most rap votes.

I think I should have more time to see the public ballot by critics and get more information behind the scene.

What do you think?

Posted by power on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 10:57am

Tribe and their hit songs are very well known amongst people I know. I don't think I know anyone else who knows Eric b and Rakim. That doesn't really reflect the voters but it does say about the current popularity of both bands

Posted by Will m on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 11:01am

Guest,

Radiohead was negative about rock hall before, gave sxxt about rock hall and was snubbed at that year. I think some voters, actually care about if you can perform or not. It is almost sure that even if Oasis are voted in, brothers will not reunite. I think some voters will vote for Oasis regardless of their attitude and based on their merits alone but I am sure that some voters will actually care about this kind of thing just like me. So Oasis will loss some votes inevitably,

Posted by power on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 11:02am

Will M,

Tribe is well known in our young generation, but the voters are mainly boomers and early Gen-Xs, Tribe are obscure in these generations.

Sonic Youth have a ton of listeners in our generation and they have more listeners than the Gogos on Spotify, but yes among voters, most people can not name a Sonic Youth song but they voted gogos in.

Posted by power on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 11:05am

In our young generation, Joy Division/New Order, Tribe, Pixies, Sonic Youth, the Smiths are all insanely popular but sadly it is not the same in old generation. I was born in 2000.

Yes, I also think Tribe is more popular than EBAR, but not by that huge margin like Eminem/Missy vs Tribe.

Posted by power on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 11:07am

power,

It should be noted that Radiohead was a bit unique because they weren't really trashing it. A number of them said they'd be excited and a number of them (mostly Thom/Jonny) said that they just don't really get the celebratory thing and couldn't grasp the idea of the Hall and they did that politely. A number of them did actually show up when inducted.

What killed Radiohead FYI chances was the ceremony date being a date that they had a preceded concert in South America and directly said early on they would be playing that scheduled concert instead of the Hall if inducted. They pushed them a year for the hope they'd all (or a number of them) would show up without conflict. They don't care about the first year indication as much as people on FRL do.

Cher would not be inducted this year if these comments are a decision in votes. Foreigner and Ozzy. Most voters will not see Liam's twitter account and that wouldn't change the resume

Posted by Guest on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 11:16am

Guest,

I agree your statement. We will see how the results go. Hope Oasis will be in. They are very very deserving.

Posted by power on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 11:33am

i have a gut feeling that Pink will be FYE in 2025 and Alicia Key will be FYE in 2026. these 2 are all bigger than marj j Blige. after the induction of mariah carey, i feel these two are most popular divas with respect (or you can call it connection)

Posted by chasingwildcat on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 12:43pm

chasingwildcat,

I just don't see either Pink or Alicia Keys as FYE nominees/inductees, I think that Mary J. Blige is bigger than either Pink and Alicia, so I see her getting in before Pink and Alicia.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 12:47pm

Richir

Check billboard

Mary j blige has 1 no.1, 6 top 10
Alicia keys has 4 no.1, 9 top 10
Pink has 4 no.1, 15 top 10

They both have more hits than Mary J.

What do you think?

Posted by chasingwildcat on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 12:51pm

chasingwildcat,

but Mary J. is more influential and came before Pink and Alicia, so I see her getting in before either of them.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 12:53pm

They can be nominated on the same ballot and inducted together.

Posted by chasingwildcat on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 12:55pm

chasingwildcat,

What are your updated predictions for the 2024 nominees?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 12:56pm

Richie

Wait until April to make prediction

Posted by chasingwildcat on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 12:57pm

This is a POP music Hall or maybe a Grammy Hall. Yes there should be a Country Hall (I believe there is), a Rap hall and a POP hall. Some artists can be in several but Cher hasn't been rock since 1967 and Mariah hasn't EVER been rock. I will vote for Foreigner, DMB, Oasis, Frampton and Sinead. Yes Ozzy should be in too.

Posted by Computerwelt on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 15:06pm

Realistically, Sinéad has a better chance at induction this year because she's really the lone female rocker on this year's ballot. The hall made it their mission last year to have inductions with diversity going forward. Cher and Mariah occupy the diva pop lane. Sade and Mary J. occupy the r&b. Sinéad occupies in the alternative rock lane. You're going to have one female pop singer getting inducted (Cher or Mariah), one female r&b singer getting inducted (Sade or Mary J.). Sinéad has no real competition because she the only female on the list who represents rock.

Posted by Elle Dee on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 15:32pm

Realistically, Sinéad has a better chance at induction this year because she's really the lone female rocker on this year's ballot. The hall made it their mission last year to have inductions with diversity going forward. Cher and Mariah occupy the pop diva lane. Sade and Mary J. occupy the r&b lane. Sinéad occupies in the alternative rock lane. You're going to have one female pop singer getting inducted (Cher or Mariah), one female r&b singer getting inducted (Sade or Mary J.). Sinéad has no real competition because she the only female on the list who represents rock.

Posted by Elle Dee on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 15:34pm

Elle Dee,

Definitely agree on Sinead,

I don't know a lot about Mary j , and I know like 4 Sade songs. I've never really associated the two. My impression is that Mary j is lord in line with Lauren hill or Erykah Badu while Sade are more like Al Green or Björk.

Again, I'm not a big fan of either, I just never drew a connection between them

(Btw I haven't listened to erykah badu either but I love Lauren hill Al green and Björk)

Posted by Will m on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 15:43pm

Elle Dee,

I just have a really hard time seeing Sinead get in on her first nomination especially if Kate Bush took 4 tries to get in, so I see Sinead possibly doing the same.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 15:43pm

Meant to type *more instead of *lord my bad

Posted by Will m on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 15:45pm

Will M,

I just have a really hard time seeing Sinead get in on her first nomination especially if Kate Bush took 4 tries to get in, so I see Sinead possibly doing the same.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 15:45pm

I think Lenny Kravitz has a good chance at induction. Over 35 years, he has several memorable songs including Again, Are You Gonna Go My Way, Fly, Heaven Help, It Ain't Over Til It's Over, Let Love Rule etc. He fits the Sheryl Crow model of last year. Plenty of hit songs in the 1990's and 2000's and very likable. Like Crow still going strong in 2024. LK probably can draw votes from different places. Kravitz also could draw votes from the traditional rock and hard rock voters. I'm curious how he fares in the Fan Voting and the Rock Hall Voting.
Also, I think Kool & The Gang is very deserving. JT Taylor 1 of my FAV singers in the 1980's. He's a great talent singing and dancing. Tonight is an amazing song as well as Misled. Celebration was a giant hit. The Kool & The Gang family has some recent deaths. It should help their cause that The Spinners were inducted last year. Kool & The Gang had a longer successful period than The Spinners. They should receive votes from R&B fans and voters. Kool & The Gang have sold millions of records. They were 1 of my biggest snubs. I'm curious how they will fare on their 1st Nomination. It's really an impressive amount of memorable songs. Celebration, Emergency, Get Down On It, Joanna, Jungle Boogie, Ladies Night, Misled, Tonight, etc. Hoping they will be inducted in 2024.
KING

Posted by KING on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 15:53pm

Richie,


There's similarities and differences between Sinead and Kate.


Similarities:

Artsy, nonconformist alternative singer/songwriters

Rejected the status quo

Highly influential


Differences:


The average Joe American knows who Sinead is because she was a household name for a long time

Sinead was more rock than Kate for the most part

Sinead won a ton of American industry awards

Sinead was deeply ingrained into American pop culture than Kate, for both good and bad reasons

Posted by Elle Dee on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 16:08pm

Elle Dee,

I know that, but I see Mary J. Blige, Mariah Carey and Cher being more likely to get in this year than Sinead, because all of them are bigger household names than Sinead was.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 16:14pm

Ritchie and Elle Dee both make great points on Sinead. She's the wild card for my predictions, the #9 slot. The pope rip incident has the chances of increasing her appeal to the likes of Joan Jett and Tom morello while also decreasing her appeal to Conservatives like Alice cooper and Al green (he was a literal pastor).

Very uncertain. I also think Kate would vote for Sinead, however I don't know for certain if kate would vote

Posted by Will m on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 16:16pm

Richie,

Sinead is not competing with Cher, Mariah, Sade, and Mary J. because she's the only female rocker on the ballot. If the hall wants diversity, then realistically it would be one female pop singer, one female r&b singer with Sinead being added to the mix as the only representation in this year's female alternative rock lane.

Posted by Elle Dee on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 16:18pm

I thnk Cher is gonna take a lot of the "rocker chick" vote. She is known by the masses, and is considered safe enough for the rockist elite to put in.

I'm just not seeing Sinead. I apologize if I"m missing something, but I know and knew Kate Bush well since the 90s. I've seen her name posted as influential. Sinead O'Connor...she just doesn't fly on my radar. Everything I'm seeing about her seems typed in as a superfan. I'm not British, but then again, I know how huge Oasis is to the 90s rock scene. So...where is all this hype that she is such a trailblazer and not just a one-hit wonder who ripped up a picture of the Pope in protest?

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 16:19pm

K-Dawg,

Which 7 acts do you think will get in this year?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 16:24pm

k-dawg

Sinead's rawness in her music and attitude are present in the works of Ani DiFranco, Tori, PJ, Bikini Kill (Kathleen Hanna appeared in Sinead's documentary), Alanis, and Fiona. You listen to Alanis' Jagged Little Pill album and notice clear, obvious elements of Sinead from her first two albums. Sinead's the real female rocker on the ballot, not Cher. Cher represents the pop diva lane alongside Mariah.

Posted by Elle Dee on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 16:30pm

Elle Dee,

Cher also has many long term associations with old time rockers, bob Dylan is a fan gene Simmons and Greg allman dated her, Tina Turner was a lifelong friend. I think Dylan may vote for both Cher and Sinead but k dawg isn't wrong that she could be viewed from a rocker angle, she has the Buffalo Springfield style early stuff with sonny, the foreigner Esque late 80s songs,

I'm Ngl I'm not a cher expert but she has those pretty strong angles to look at for voters as a rocker. Whether they do or don't we may never know unless we literally hear Clive Davis say "Cher is the only woman rock star on the ballot"

Posted by Will m on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 16:56pm

will m

I love Cher and I'm voting for her, Sinéad, Sade, Tribe, Oasis, Jane's Addiction, and Kool and the Gang in the fan vote. I hope she gets in, but she's facing competition with Mariah as a female pop singer. If an artist like Cher has the nickname "the goddess of pop" in their career resume, it's going to rub rock purists the wrong way.

Posted by Elle Dee on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 17:19pm

Gonna be honest......cher is meant to do what Kraftwerk couldn't. Create an electronic and dance lane

Also bring Hollywood to the ceremony

Posted by Mat r on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 17:51pm

Mat R,

What are your predictions for the 7 2024 inductees?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 17:54pm

Richie

Mariah Carey
Cher
Ozzy Osbourne
Oasis
Foreigner
The Dave Matthews Band
Kool and the Gang

MI: Eric B and Rakim

Wild Card: Mary J Blige

Posted by Mat r on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 17:57pm

Mat R,

As much as I love Oasis, I just have a really hard time seeing them get in on their first nomination especially if Radiohead took two tries to get in, so I see Oasis doing the same.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 18:18pm

Richie

Oasis have the biggest song on this and are probably gonna have the bulk of UK votes.

I however don't think they're a lock (same goes for dmb and Kool and the gang) which is why I have a wild card

Posted by Mat r on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 18:21pm

Cher has the respect and edge among the rock community. The old guard is gonna put her in, especially from what I'm seeing in the social media groups. Sinbad wouldn't have a clear path. Some are thinking in linear ways of the past when this ballot itself is a bit of a shocker. There is no reason to believe this would be a typical year

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 18:31pm

k-dawg

Eddie Trunk is not going to vote for Cher, that I know is true. She's not going to be seen as a "rock" singer on the ballot. She's being pit against Mariah in the pop diva lane. Now, if Cher were nominated back in 2021 and was up against Tina Turner, she would've lost the competition because Tina had more rock cred than her.

Still, I'm pulling for Cher, Sinead, Sade, Oasis, Tribe, Jane's Addiction, and Kool and the Gang.

Posted by Elle Dee on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 18:51pm

What are your predictions for inductees in the next 10 years (2024-2034) (If 8 inductees each year)?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 19:15pm

What are your predictions for inductees in the next 10 years (2024-2034) (If 8 inductees each year)?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 19:16pm

What are your predictions for inductees in the next 10 years (2024-2034) (If 8 inductees each year)?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 19:16pm

heres my votes for the fan ballot

Frampton
Foreigner
Ozzy
Janes
Kool and Gang
sinead
tribe

ive been semi debating swapping out sinead and kool/gang. day 1 i actually voted lenny kravitz but i started voting sinead instead

Posted by will m on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 19:17pm

I wonder how Eddie trunk's ballot will be (it's still 5 for voters right)

My guess
Ozzy Osbourne
Jane's addiction
Lenny Kravitz
Oasis
Foreigner

Posted by Mat r on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 19:44pm

fun excersize i thought of instead of doing my hw: rank each years inductees, im only gonna do acts from each year where ive gotten into them. gonna leave out acts i ve not listened to for the sake of comment space.

1986: Chuck Berry, Little Richard, Buddy Holly, Robert johnson (yes its just those 4 that year)
1987: out of this entire big class, ive heard 2 marvin gaye albums and 2 aretha albums. Aretha>Marvin
1988: Beatles, Dylan Beach boys, just those 3 but i love all so so much.
1989: Rolling Stones, Stevie Wonder-both incredible but ive only heard their albums (entirety) in this class
1990: The Who, The Kinks, Simon/Garfunkel (love all) not counting carole solo for this year
1991: Just the byrds this year. love them. not heard any ike albums, ive heard all Tina Turner solo
1992: Jimi Hendrix Expierience, Yardbirds
1993: CCR, Cream, Doors, Van Morrison, Sly and Family stone. really tough year this was.
1994: Elton, The Band, Lennon solo, Grateful Dead, Bob Marley, and heard 1 rod solo but plan to deep dive
1995: Neil Young, Led Zepelin, Allman Brothers, Al Green, Janis Joplin
1996: Bowie, Velvets, Pink Floyd. damn those 3 getting ranked is tough, could go any order
1997: CSN, Joni, Buffalo Springfield
1998: Eagles, Fleetwood Mac, Santana
1999: Billy Joel, Springsteen, Paul solo, this is the absolute toughest one but the rank was actually really easy
2000: James Taylor, Earth Wind Fire, Clapton, Lovin Spoonful
2001: Steely Dan, Queen, Paul Simon, Aerosmith
2002: Talking Heads, Tom Petty w Heart Breakers, Ramones, god i love all 3
2003: Costello/attractions, Clash, ACDC, Police,
2004: George solo, Bob Seger, Jackson Browne, Prince, ZZ Top
2005: U2, Pretnders, a low one! i love a lot of o jays songs tho i gotta get into them
2006: Blondie, Sabbath, Skynyrd, Sex Pistols,
2007: Patti Smith, REM Van Halen, Ronettes-really tough choice between REM and VH
2008: Leonard Cohen, Mellancamp and its not close tho i do enjoy a lot of mellancamp stuff
2009: Jeff Beck, Metallica, Run DMC
2010: Stooges, Genesis-another tough choice
2011: Tom Waits, Alice Cooper-battle for halloween
2012: Guns n roses, (small) Faces, Beastie Boys, chilli peppers, donovan
2013: Rush, Heart, Donna summer, tho ive heard a few public enemy albums
2014: the e street band, nirvana, peter gabriel, linda ronstadt, kiss, hall and oates
2015: Joan Jett, Green Day, Lou Reed, Ringo,
2016: Cheap Trick, Deep Purple, Chicago, Steve Miller (SHOULDVE BEEN BAND), NWA, bert berns why not list him too he has 1 single which i have listened to. this is the only year where ive heard every album of every inductee
2017: Yes,,,,,,,Journey ELO, both are good but goddamn Yes are so much better than those 2
2018: The Cars, Moody Blues,,,,Dire Straits, Bon Jovi
2019: The Cure, The Zombies, Roxy Music, Stevie Nicks, def Leppard,,,,,,,, i dont like radiohead
janet is the only act where ive heard none of her music i should get on that cause she has some classics
2020: Depeche Mode, T Rex, Doobies, Biggie, NIN, a really great set here NIN are last but i still love them
2021: Go Gos, Carole, Tina, Randy Rhoads (he counts!) Foo Fighters,
2022: Carly Simon, Judas Priest, Pat Benatar, Duran Duran. kinda a low amount.
2023: Kate Bush, Spinners, rage, Sheryl, and why not count Kool Herc too. ive not actually heard bernie taupins solo records so i am not counting him.

Posted by will m on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 19:55pm

I think the problem of Celine Dion ia that she is in genre of adult easy listening, look at past inductees and nominees in this year, cher, mariah, mary j, dolly, tina, carole, mariah, whitney, janet, madonna, they are all related to at least one of these genres (which formed or highly related to rnr): roots music/rock/rnb. But Celine she is pure pop and does not relate to any of these genres. So I think she has no chance. If pure pop can be inducted, frank sinatra would be already inducted for 30-40 years.

Posted by power on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 19:58pm

it kinda looks like i dont like dire straits or bon jovi. i love both just not as much as moodies or cars

Posted by will m on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 19:59pm

mat r

Add Peter Frampton because Trunk went on a melodramatic rant like a crybaby last year over Frampton not being in the hall.

Posted by Elle Dee on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 20:00pm

mat r,

The true ballot has not been sent to real voters yet so we do not know if they can vote for 5 or 7. I think it will be 7 because we can vote for 7 in fan vote.

Posted by power on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 20:12pm

Mary J Blige really tanked on voting. I think she is still relevant today but I never expect she only receives votes more than two rap acts. Honestly speaking, I am pessimistic about her chance in this year

Posted by power on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 20:15pm

Power,

Don't be pessimistic about Mary J. Blige's chances this year, There is still time, so I still think that she has a chance this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 20:24pm

richie,

We will see, but her path is not that clear. The ballot is filled with acts having more hits or with better acclaim than her. I think her chance is slightly better than 2021 but still not that optimistic. Not only pop/rnb acts will split votes, two hip hop acts as well.

Posted by power on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 20:28pm

Rock & Roll Hall of Fame 2024 nominees: From most to less important acts.

1. A Tribe Called Quest
2. Mariah Carey
3. Mary J. Blige
4. Cher
5. Oasis
6. Ozzy Osbourne
7. Eric B. & Rakim
8. Jane's Addiction
9. Sade
10. Kool & The Gang
11. Lenny Kravitz
12. Sinead O'Connor
13. Dave Matthews Band
14. Foreigner
15. Peter Frampton

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 20:34pm

Over the years, there's been a ton of chatter about the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. You've got news, reports, and interviews flying around, giving us insights into what rock hall working members really think and what goes down behind the scenes.

But hey, it's all a big mess in this year. Nobody working in the Rock Hall is really putting their heart into it. They think it's all about selling tickets. It seems like the Nom Com just throws in big names without even considering the preferences of its members. That's why you'll still find Rock Hall members like Amy Linden with no comments even today. It's possible that the focus or constraints of the Nom Com meetings are something like, "Don't nominate who you want, just toss in some big acts for this year."

Posted by chasingwildcat on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 20:40pm

Fan vote means little for the overall final votes but it especially means nothing in terms of the chances of black artists who always place at the bottom (while boomer rock is always at top unless a pop star's fanbase mass votes, because that's who cares enough to vote). I think that one year Jay Z was dead last in fan vote lol

It means nothing

Posted by Guest on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 20:42pm

chasingwildcat

Amy is going to discuss the 2024 nominees on the next episode of her and her friend Courtney Anderson's podcast "Immaletyoufinish…" sometime this week.

Posted by Elle Dee on Monday, 02/12/2024 @ 22:16pm

It soom becomes very very boring now as this class is very boring and I do not even know what to discuss. I do not know, even the announcement of inductees and the induction ceremony may not excite me. Hope the nominees in the next year will be more exciting.

Posted by power on Tuesday, 02/13/2024 @ 00:37am

For those wondering if Cher won't make it in because of her given honorific nickname (Goddess of Pop), may I remind you that in 2008, a certain woman who was known as THE QUEEN OF POP got in on her first ballot before she turned 50. Never say never is all I'm saying.

And I actually think people are really overestimating Mariah's chances here. Mary J. could actually be one of those "surprise inductees" based off the chaotic situation happening this year. Blige would definitely have more hip-hop votes as well as R&B votes (Mariah would have a bigger problem because of Sade). Just because she's a big name and has the most successful career out of all of them doesn't mean her chances are any clearer.

What worked for Whitney in 2020 and Janet in 2019 is they were no doubt THE biggest name on their lists. Mariah risks having her vote split between Mary J. and Sade and then with Cher there (and likely Lenny and Kool and the Gang, an act that should've been inducted IMHO), that also bodes a problem for her.

We'll see if she repeats what her fellow multi-genre peers of color (Whitney/Janet/Queen of Rock Tina) did in their respective years (still a great possibility) or will she stand a chance of being kicked out for next time (also a great possibility).

As for Celine? Please. Even with the craziness of this ballot (though I loved most of the nominees here, including the hard rock ones), they won't seriously consider her because she hasn't done a lot of genres. So NO, she won't be nominated anytime soon, put that out of your mind right now... and I say this as a fan of Celine's!

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Tuesday, 02/13/2024 @ 03:31am

I consider myself a "poptimist" more than a member of any one single pop fan army, and I think Celine is a tough sell, largely because she was the bull's eye target for most of the rock critical establishment in her prime. Now today, changing demographics have diversified the backgrounds and tastes of our music critics, which is long overdue. But some of those antiquated perceptions are still a stain on some artists' legacy, however unfair it may be. All of Mariah and Cher's precedents are already in the Hall which should give both a smooth landing in Cleveland. I think Celine would need a Barbra Streisand, or somebody similar (white, flat-footed female torch singer) who settled in middle of the road pop for decades, to clear the path for her.

Posted by ChrisD on Tuesday, 02/13/2024 @ 04:03am

There is plenty to discuss. We don't need to wind down so quickly. I've been on this site for well over a decade, and there's countless things to go over.

I would appreciate Plebeian's take on this as well. Haven't heard from him in awhile...

Cher is the shoo-in. Even more than Mariah, as she well might have to wait a year or so like Janet and Whitney did.

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 02/13/2024 @ 04:21am

@K-Dawg

There is precedence here. Whitney was inducted on her first nomination. Janet and Stevie Nicks were inducted in the same year. I think there's space for both Cher and Mariah.

Posted by ChrisD on Tuesday, 02/13/2024 @ 04:34am

But Janet also failed twice before, she was also the biggest act on 2016 and 2017 ballot.

Posted by power on Tuesday, 02/13/2024 @ 05:03am

@power

I think Janet was crucial in ushering the rest of her class of female pop stars, so she was always going to have the hardest time in the "old Hall". Like there's a huge gap between her's and Madonna's induction. There was a social media campaign to get Janet recognised for years, which caught the attention of Questlove who personally responded to those #InductJanet tweets (who I also assume was her main advocate in a nominating committee still in its Wenner era). All that work for to Janet to get in, would then open the floodgates which made it easier for Whitney, which would make it inevitable for Mariah, and then we get into the urgency of the early millennial pop stars like Beyoncé. But then again, Whitney is only one person, so we will have to see if this is a trend or anomaly.

If we are going by black and white statistics, then Mariah would be the biggest on her ballot, just like Whitney and Janet. I'll admit my bias if it wasn't already clear, that I want Mariah in because it would complete my childhood pop quartet (Madonna, Janet, Whitney). But I also realise the risk of her splitting the vote with SO MANY others on the ballot.

Howard Stern (voting member) identified his ballot, and it is a reflection of THE MOST boomer iteration possible: https://www.howardstern.com/news/2024/02/12/howard-sounds-off-on-all-the-nominees-for-the-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fames-2024-class/

Posted by ChrisD on Tuesday, 02/13/2024 @ 05:31am

Howard Stern probably will vote for Cher, Dave Matthews, Frampton, Jane's Addiction, Kool and the Gang, Ozzy and Lenny Kravtiz. I will think boomers will probably vote for Cher, DMB, Frampton, katg, Ozzy, Lenny and foreigner, not janes addiction.

Posted by trea on Tuesday, 02/13/2024 @ 07:31am

I am so glad and happy that official Rock Hall voters can now vote for 7 names instead of 5, because the more Performer inductees we get, The bigger, the better.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 02/13/2024 @ 09:08am

I'm surprised Mariah's stans (the lambs) aren't going nuts with the fan vote. You would think with such a rabid fanbase that she would be number one in the fan vote right now.

Posted by Elle Dee on Tuesday, 02/13/2024 @ 09:40am

Usher is almost a lock to be nominated in 2025.

Posted by power on Tuesday, 02/13/2024 @ 10:06am

Power,

What are your predictions for the 2024 inductees (If 9 inductees)?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 02/13/2024 @ 10:22am

Power,

Speaking of usher,

Every Super Bowl halftime performer that has been inducted into the rock hall

Micheal Jackson, 93 headliner
Diana Ross 96 headliner
ZZ Top and James brown (blues brothers special guest 1997)
Smokey Robinson, Martha Reeves, Temptations, 1998 package set
Stevie Wonder, 1999 duo w Gloria Estefan
Phil Collin's, 2000 as part of Disney set
Aerosmith 2001
U2 2002
Sting 2003, no doubt special guest
Janet 2004 headliner
Paul McCartney 2005
Rolling Stones 2006
Prince 2007
Tom petty and heartbreakers 2008
Springsteen and e street band 2009
The who 2010
Slash (special guest) 2011
Madonna 2012
Chilli peppers 2014 special guest
Missy Elliot 2015 special guest
2022-Eminem and dr Dre (la rap package performance)

Posted by Will m on Tuesday, 02/13/2024 @ 10:36am

Elle Dee,

Well Whitney and Janet has rabid fans too and those ladies weren't first in the fan vote either. I haven't voted nor do I plan to. I couldn't care less about it honestly.

Posted by Aria Diamond on Tuesday, 02/13/2024 @ 11:50am

K-Dawg,

Janet got in on her third nomination but Whitney was one of the rare ones to get in on her first nomination so she's a first ballot Hall of Famer like her fellow '80s peer Madonna (who got in as a FYE inductee whereas Whitney was FYN).

My guess is what could work against Mariah is that those outside the fan vote may deem Cher and Mary more worthy plus Sinead just died and they could put her in as a "sympathy vote" though she didn't care much for the HOF (a lot like Liam Gallagher is now).

I think her chances could've been better had Cher not joined her (I made a mistake comparing her vote to Sade, who are nominated as the full band rather than just the lead singer and who won't get in this year - though I've voted for them this morning).

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Tuesday, 02/13/2024 @ 11:54am

K-Dawg,

Hey man just posted earlier on my thoughts on the overall ballot. I'm doing alright for myself just been dealing with personal things in life. I will share my tier list of all the acts to you if that's okay.

S-Legendary
A-Almost Legendary
B-Good/Great
C-Average
D-Below Average

A:
Oasis

B:
A Tribe Called Quest
Jane's Addiction
Eric B. And Rakim
Mary J. Blige
Mariah Carey (Don't like her but she is important and shaped the sound of pop in the 1990s)

C:
Kool and the Gang
Ozzy Osbourne
Cher
Sinead O' Connor
Sade

D:
Dave Matthews Band
Foreigner
Peter Frampton
Lenny Kravitz

Thoughts?

Posted by Plebeian on Tuesday, 02/13/2024 @ 11:54am

Elle Dee,

Either Lambs don't care for it or they're getting outvoted by the rockist voters. :D

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Tuesday, 02/13/2024 @ 11:56am

Timothy Pernell,

Don't forget that Mariah has a Diamond certified album and any artist regardless of opinion always tends to get in with that accolade Happened with George Michael, Lionel Richie, Whitney Houston, etc.

Posted by Plebeian on Tuesday, 02/13/2024 @ 11:57am

ChrisD,

You're not wrong at all. There is definitely room for those two powerhouse divas. This could also be the scenario where Sinead is indeed the odd woman out and they just put the other three (Cher, Mary and Mariah) in there. Anything can happen especially since now they're increasing the number of inductees (again).

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Tuesday, 02/13/2024 @ 12:00pm

Plebeian,

That is right... hmm... yeah her chances are still pretty good. Awesome considering the nominees! We shall see. Honestly, it would be a dream come true if Cher, Mary and Mariah all get inducted this year tbh.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Tuesday, 02/13/2024 @ 12:02pm

But yes, the discussion about this year's class is soon becoming boring compared with last year's class. I think the discussion in last year at the same time was more heated and enlightening

Posted by power on Tuesday, 02/13/2024 @ 12:02pm

John Sykes is garbage compared with Jann Wenner

Posted by Garbage on Tuesday, 02/13/2024 @ 12:15pm

John Sykes is garbage compared with Jann Wenner

Posted by Garbage on Tuesday, 02/13/2024 @ 12:15pm

Plebeian,

Would REO Speedwagon get in if nominated? High infidelity is Diamond

Posted by Will m on Tuesday, 02/13/2024 @ 12:15pm

Will m

Outkast, Pumpkins all have platinum album and high critical acclaim and hot hit single (1979 is almost top 10 so I treat it a top 10 singles), but they seem to be far to be inducted. I think these two are more likely than reo.

Also, in aor, boston and toto all have more memorable single than reo. Hit single is important and i think these two will be more likely than reo

Do not forget about little steven's favourite j geils band

Posted by power on Tuesday, 02/13/2024 @ 12:18pm

Will M,

Unfortunately probably but I just pointed it out. It's something to consider. It's not indefinite case for an artist just an added bonus and coincidence in the Hall's part.

Posted by Plebeian on Tuesday, 02/13/2024 @ 12:18pm

Plebeian,

I quite like REO but they have less goodwill for them than other AOR groups. Boston have 1 undeniable amazing album, Toto have beloved session guys, Styx have a strong fan base and a little bit of prog respect. REO have a fan base, they're always on tour but not as beloved as others in their same style. I wouldn't bet on their induction ever however if they were on a ballot I wouldn't mind

Posted by Will m on Tuesday, 02/13/2024 @ 12:26pm

Power,

I know speakerboxx/love below is diamond but is Mellon collie a diamond album? I'm not certain but could be wrong

Posted by Will m on Tuesday, 02/13/2024 @ 12:28pm

Will m

Yes, it is a diamond album
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/the-smashing-pumpkins-defining-1995-double-album-mellon-collie--the-infinite-sadness-earns-diamond-certification-from-the-riaa-for-sales-of-10-million-discs-172289281.html

Posted by power on Tuesday, 02/13/2024 @ 12:33pm

as a companion to the previous excersize, heres each 2024 nominee (that ive heard every album by) ranked

Peter Frampton, Ozzy Osboure, foreigner, tribe called quest, janes addiction, eric b and rakim, mariah carey

ive not heard any kool and the gang, cher, mary j blige, sade, lenny kravitz, oasis, dave matthews band, or sinead o connor albums.

also eric b and rakim should get main category but i can see them going side. paid in full is absolutely amazing, i just listened to their full discography today.

Posted by Will M on Tuesday, 02/13/2024 @ 15:08pm

Good to see you Plebeian, and yes, your grades are what I was hoping for. Now if Ben, ouur elder statesman would just return...lol

Here are my picks for 7 for induction. First, who I think will be inducted:

Mariah Carey
Cher
Foreigner
Kool and the Gang
Peter Frampton
Ozzy
Oasis

Who I want inducted:

Cher
Mariah Carey
Ozzy Osbourne
Sade
Oasis
Kool and the Gang
Lenny Kravitz

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 02/13/2024 @ 15:11pm

also: every non 2024 previous nominee (that ive heard every album by) ranked

Replacements, Warren Zevon, DEVO, New York dolls, motorhead, thin lizzy, the smiths, MC5, joy division/new order, Iron Maiden, Procul Harum, Soundgarden, Gram Parsons, Steppenwolf, all are amazing.

afrika bambatta is never getting inducted. maybe an early influence like 5 years after he dies. theres zero chance they ever nominate him again

Posted by will m on Tuesday, 02/13/2024 @ 15:14pm

When Foreigner and Peter Frampton get in this year, I think the next Classic Rock acts that they'll go for will be Bad Company and Jethro Tull, because both of them have been previously considered before, As well as The J. Geils Band and Thin Lizzy (who have both been previously nominated) and Boston (who have a Diamond album to their credit with their Classic 1976 self-titled debut album Boston), so I think that they are all next in line after Foreigner and Frampton.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 02/13/2024 @ 15:19pm

ritchie,

i defintiely can see these. however i think j geils after 5 times nominated would get backdoored with musical excellence rather than see a 6th time on the ballot. the nom com is probably holding out with them if a ballot comes back with zero rock groups at all.

Posted by will m on Tuesday, 02/13/2024 @ 15:21pm

I don't think Frampton is getting in. I think people cut him once they've voted for cher, Ozzy, foreigner, and Kool in favour of one thing that's more modern

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 02/13/2024 @ 16:03pm

mat r,

frampton has a lot of friends amongst inductees, i can see members of the eagles,rolling stones, fleetwood mac, faces, sly and the family stone, the who, deep purple, and billy joel, paul and ringo, artimus pyle, stills nash and young, franki valli, donovan and of course sheryl crow. hes got a lot of friends and hes played with a lot of people, i think hes got a pretty good shot.

Posted by will m on Tuesday, 02/13/2024 @ 16:50pm

Mat R,

Which acts do you think have the biggest beneficiary of the acts nominated this year for 2024 next year for 2025?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 02/13/2024 @ 16:51pm

Will m

Yea and? A lot of those guys probably knew Sinead or have hung out with the Gallaghers or have dined with Mariah and Lenny or shared a stage with Dave Matthews that was set up by perry Ferrell. Half the people you mentioned there are Brits and probably know everyone from Sade. Frampton is battling for #7 spots.

That's not a great spot

Plus Zevon couldn't get in with no other classic rockers and a lot of friends voting.

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 02/13/2024 @ 17:21pm

stephen thomas erleiwine made some very good points about forigner, mariah, and cher, in his recent blog,

1 the "4" album was carried by thomas dolby. he never says this but i belive dolby deserves a musical excellence slot.

2 "Foreigner appearing on the ballot over the host of punk or alt rock fringes undercores how rock has a diminished presence at the rock hall: theyve depleted the resevior of uninducted classic rock artists so theyre looking for star power, double dipping (ozzy) or start to depend upon such celebrities as cher and mariah: whos genre distinctions are niceties: theyre simply superstars. theres plenty of worthy influential and recognizable rock artits still waiting for induction but ones that could be called superstars are vanishingly small."-direct quoted last paragrpah from article

Posted by will m on Tuesday, 02/13/2024 @ 17:24pm

mat r,

fair points but considering the members of genesis had never heard of Phish when trey inducuted them makes me think Someone like Ritchie Furay doesnt listen to Oasis

Posted by will m on Tuesday, 02/13/2024 @ 17:27pm

Will m

I mean I can't name a single fish song or record. Meanwhile "wonderwall" exists.

I also question if jay z knows anything about Peter Frampton beyond the Simpsons

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 02/13/2024 @ 17:55pm

Honestly there's something very symbolic with with what boomers have done with this hall and then parallel with what boomers have done with the country: Getting all their 50s-early 70s favorite artists in, then once they "got mine" telling the later generations to screw off by changing the voterbase and then making the hall insanely corporate to the point corporations are deciding who is getting in based on their sales and icon status, and decisions of induction are based off ticket and stream numbers. So the 80s/90s icons, especially of the alternative/indie genres, are shut out and screwed out of their chances for pop stars.

There's zero realistic way in 2024 artists like The Ventures, Laura Nyro, Tom Waits, Traffic or Paul Butterfield Band get into the rock hall with the new guidelines they set and even more known alternative acts do not have a shot, they have to sell like Oasis to get serious consideration

Posted by Guest on Tuesday, 02/13/2024 @ 18:21pm

Last year, American Idol did a Rock Hall night with the Top 12 contestants performing songs from Rock Hall inductees on April 30 a few days before the 2023 inductees were announced on May 3, Since the 2024 inductees will be announced in late April and with American Idol being on ABC/Disney (the new home of the Rock Hall induction ceremony), I wouldn't be surprised if American Idol did another Rock Hall night on April 28 with the contestants performing songs from Rock Hall inductees and after we get the results of which contestants got eliminated that night, I wouldn't be surprised if they announce the 2024 Rock Hall inductees on Idol that night and since 2022 inductee Lionel Richie is a judge on that show (He has been for the last seven seasons), I wouldn't be surprised if he announced this year's inductees on Idol on April 28 just like LL Cool J did last year for the 2023 inductees when they were announced last year on May 3.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 02/13/2024 @ 20:04pm

Ritchie,

That is a very interesting theory I'd never thought of. That's definitely a possibility I could see that happening

Guest,

Agreed. Not to mention the likes of Dick Dale Chubby Checker and other less known pioneers of long ago still on the fringes of hall induction. Their mission statement has notably shifted from "honoring the greatest" to "honoring the youth culture" which is so ambiguous it could mean anything

Posted by Will m on Tuesday, 02/13/2024 @ 20:37pm

Yeah the old acts that Janner didn't like got it the worst. Dick Dale, Chubby Checker, Beefheart and others who they intentionally snubbed for years now have zero chance to ever get in via performers category. Even if the hall changed its stance and altered the voterbase most the people who'd vote for them are gone now, it would help for the 80s/90s issues but not for the older stuff. Cher and maybe reaching into Monkees might still get enough votes, but like SRT showed it's far too late for the other older, non name-brand acts to make it in traditionally and they need to be side-categoried

Posted by Guest on Tuesday, 02/13/2024 @ 21:06pm

mat r,

youre greatly overestimating how much post 80s music the old guard 60s 70s rock inductees listen to. unless i missed some grammy appearance where they all sang we are the world with perry ferral and mariah carey, i cant remember when Dickey Betts, John Sebastion, Mick Taylor, Gene Cornish, Ron Blair, Dave Mason, Garry Tallent, Billy Davis, Dave Clark or Bob Gaudio have ever acknowleged Sade. those guys are most likely voting frampton.

Posted by will m on Tuesday, 02/13/2024 @ 21:19pm

Peter Frampton's chances of being in the Hall in any year is very slim. Probably the slimmest of the nominees here. All he has is Frampton Comes Alive. His former band Humble Pie (which Peter was a member of with HOF member Steve Marriott from the Small Faces) would've probably been a better pick if they didn't disintegrate the minute they took off in the States.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Tuesday, 02/13/2024 @ 21:35pm

timothy,

humble pie is another advantage frampton has. Ron Wood, Rod Stewart, and Kenney Jones are absolutely voting frampton cause you got the marriott connection.

also frampton played on dolly partons let it be cover with mccartney, ringo, and mick fleetwood. theyre all voting frampton i say. plus of course sheryl crow is, shes the main reason hes nominated.

plus fellow guitarists i see voting him, clapton, page, gilmour, brian may, blackmore, hell mark knopfler just collaborated with all of them and frampton on that charity song for roger daltreys cancer charity. frampton is getting all the boomer votes. and ill emphasize again: those guys dont listen to younger acts. blackmore makes medival music now. if they vote, framptons on there

Posted by Will M on Tuesday, 02/13/2024 @ 21:52pm

Sometimes I think all it takes to get into the RRHOF is having a good reputation with the music industry in general. I mean it still puzzles me how Darlene Love and Sheryl Crow can be in if we're going by the factors they state to consider: innovation, influence, societal impact.

If you ask anyone, pretty much no one knows Darlene Love outside of "Christmas (Baby Please Come Home) and Sheryl Crow has so many friends that are highly influential that I think that garnered a lot of bias from the voting body.

Because there's no statistical method being used to choose the inductees, it's all about reputation and acclaim. That's why The Smiths STILL aren't in, and why someone like R.Kelly will never get in.

Posted by Ralib on Tuesday, 02/13/2024 @ 21:57pm

An advantage Frampton has over Zevon is that except Zevon has some friends like Springsteen in has era, Zevon is obscure in baby era and probably be treated as "one hit wonder" by some of his non-friend peers. But most boomer voters must have heared Framton before. For example, i think likes of Ray Davies, Pete Townshend, Gene Simmons may not vote for Zevon in this year but they may vote for Framton without doubt. So yes I think Framton will be in.

I want to repeat that most nominees in last year do not return because they all almost have no chance in this year, so it is a smart move by rrhof. No clear path for any of JD/NO, SG, WS,Cyndi, Zevon, Maiden if any of them appear on the ballot.

Posted by power on Tuesday, 02/13/2024 @ 22:00pm

ralib,

darlene would have been a far greater fit for musical excellence. she mostly sang backing on phil spector songs. she was put on ballot and inducted cause steven van zandt who along w the e street band is a great friend of hers and produced several of her solo albums.

months ago there was someone who commented something along the lines of "its all so insider, with landau and van zandt on the nom com, it seems any friend of springsteen will get inducted" and that could only be more true if southside johnny found his way onto a ballot.

Posted by will m on Tuesday, 02/13/2024 @ 22:08pm

But at sometimes the boomer reign will fade, maybe sometimes after 2030. I think Joy Division/New Order, Pixies, Sonic Youth, the Smiths, Jane's Addiction will be inducted at the time. These acts are not big in boomer and early gen-x audiences. but they are very famous in young generation. Unfortunately, they may have no chance now even if most of members of these acts are already above 60 years old.

I expect we will have more pop stars and boomer acts inducted before 2030 in each year.

Suddenly, old acts like Boston, War, Barry White, J Geils Band and even less likely Toto all have some chance now.

What do you think?

Posted by power on Tuesday, 02/13/2024 @ 22:10pm

Will m,

Love inducted over Diana Ross solo, Dionne Warwick, Patti Labelle, Roberta Flack, the marvelettes, mary Wells and a ton of others is still very puzzling for me.

Yes, I think I said similar comments, it is just like a self-entertainment small circle game.

Posted by power on Tuesday, 02/13/2024 @ 22:14pm

Regarding Frampton

Given the last 3 classes do you think do you think 3 classic rockers are a high probability? Like legit

Also when was the last time you thought about Peter Frampton prior to the ceremony? A lot of voters probably haven't thought of him since the Simpsons. He is probably better known today for saying. "Sonic youth is in my cooler" than Frampton Comes Alive and I am not joking, he has not transcended generations.

We were just talking about how for rock you need to be a superstar. Is Frampton a superstar?

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 02/13/2024 @ 22:34pm

When Mariah Carey and Cher get in this year, I expect that the next big Pop act that will get nominated/inducted will be Britney Spears, Britney has sold 150 Million Records worldwide, has had 14 Top 10 Hits (including 5 #1 Hits) on the Billboard Hot 100 charts and has had 10 Top 10 Albums (including 6 #1 Albums) on the Billboard 200 charts. So once Mariah and Cher get in this year, Britney will be next in line.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 02/13/2024 @ 22:38pm

mat r,

i am a really big frampton fan so i think about him a lot. ive got 4 of his albums on vinyl including the art of control, his 1982 record label pushed synth album that frampton himself wants to bury. i like it actually.

Posted by will m on Tuesday, 02/13/2024 @ 22:49pm

i wasnt at all planning to attend this years ceremony (obiously no rage or kate or spinners performances) until they announced frampton as a performer. when i heard about that i instantly bought tickets. and his everyday is a winding road solo made me love that song and get into sheryl crow.

Posted by will m on Tuesday, 02/13/2024 @ 22:53pm

I'm curious that maybe Suzi Quatro will receive 1 of the Special Awards this year. Musical Influence or Musical Excellence. Suzi started out in the 1960's and has had incredible longevity. She's been cited as an influence by many later female music artists. I'm puzzled why Suzi Quatro wasn't a bigger star. She had a great attractive look and was very proficient as a singer and bassist. A few hit records but more popular in England. I wonder if the RRHOF has struggled over the years whether to put Quatro on the performers ballot. Or just give her 1 of these Awards that are very important. I'm interested in the ME and MI awards this year. I think MC5 will get 1 for Musical Influence and CHIC for ME Musical Excellence. DEVO is also a possibility. KING

Posted by KING on Wednesday, 02/14/2024 @ 01:36am

its quite interesting that the faces of the nom com are the musicians, van zandt, kaye, grohl, questlove, morello, DMC, but theyre outnumbered by less well known industry people. so many nom com members i know so little about, unlike extremely vocal former members such as dave marsh and jon landau. at least Amy Linden and Alan Light are open about the rock hall process. id say about 50% of members are practically anonymous by nature of being unvocal and un famous.

Posted by will m on Wednesday, 02/14/2024 @ 01:54am

Richie,

I do think Britney will be inducted soon. Her songs have remained timeless and she's a direct descendant of Madonna when it comes to dance-pop impact and influence. The only reason she probably wasn't considered already is because it doesn't seem like she had very much creative control over her career, (she's not recognized as either a good singer, writer, or producer) but that's not her entirely her fault. The industry focused more on her image than honing her talents as an artist. But even so, her rock personae still managed to shine-through in everything she did. She was rebellious, and made music that has always resonated with youth culture. You know, the kinda of music that couldn't be played at weddings, anniversaries and that conservative parents and grandparents would disapprove over.

Posted by Ralib on Wednesday, 02/14/2024 @ 02:48am

I think we the discuss about the potential induction chances of remaining classic rock snubs.

I think Foreigners and Peter Frampton will be inducted in this class.

Warren Zevon may make a return.

As for others, it is a little hard to guess. Boston, Styx, Reo, Toto, J Geils Band and even Jethro Tull are all likely.

Posted by power on Wednesday, 02/14/2024 @ 07:11am

Power

And what about Ozzy? Everyone seems to be forgetting there are 3 classic rock acts on the ballot

Will m

That's cool

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 02/14/2024 @ 07:15am

Mat r,

I remember Deep Purple, Cheap Trick, Chicago, Steve Miller (4) were inducted together in 2016, Journey, Yes (they are prog but their listeners have large intersections with classic rock listeners), ELO (3) in 2017, Bon Jovi, Moody Blues, Dire Straits (3) in 2018. So inducting 3 classic rock acts in the same class is not impossible for me. Since 2021, I do not think they nominated many classic rock acts on the same ballot. It is likely we will see the power of boomers again since last year they voted the Spinners in.

I bet J Geils Band will return in next year.

Posted by power on Wednesday, 02/14/2024 @ 07:25am

I think most boomer voters will include all 3 plus Kool & the Gang on the ballot when voting

Posted by power on Wednesday, 02/14/2024 @ 07:26am

Power

It's not impossible but it's also not likely given the last 3 classes.

Reminder the voting base has changed, going from 1000 to 1300 or whatever. There's also the change to what is classic rock cause classic rock radio and playlists are more likely to feature black Crowes and blink 182 than George thorogood and ELP.

Last year we had a lot of big ass rock bands on the ballot with only 1 classic rocker and we saw only 2 get in and the classic rock guy wasn't one of them...but the woman who is among those new artists to classic rock radio was.

You mention the boomers and the boomers have Ozzy, foreigner, Kool and the gang, and cher with Frampton at #5. This is before we factor in how boomers like being hip which we know happens on these ballots. They'll vote for a Fela Kuti, Kate Bush, or A Tribe Called Quest over a Warren Zevon and MC5 quite often.

Frampton has a path but it is a very narrow one cause every category he should do well in (boomers, Brits, and classic rockists) is rich with options and his name doesn't carry the weight of others

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 02/14/2024 @ 07:56am

mat r

im a regular classic rock radio listener, only the local Iheart corporate station plays sheryl crow at all, and they only started after she was nominated/inducted. its only ever "All I wanna do" and its not a staple i hear it like once a week. the other 2 stations near me havent played any sheryl ever, but the black crowes are a regular fixture on all 3

Posted by will m on Wednesday, 02/14/2024 @ 08:09am

i realize its not the standard view but ive always seen bands like The Clash, The Cars, Soundgarden and others as classic rock. so in my mind at least, last years ballot had 7 classic rock bands (white stripes are too recent in my mind)

Posted by will m on Wednesday, 02/14/2024 @ 08:12am

After Ozzy is in, I feel Phil Collins will be the next, another icon and possible 2x inductee. His acclaim is not good but still better than Loniel Richie. He will be shoein

Posted by chasingwildcat on Wednesday, 02/14/2024 @ 08:16am

I do not treat clash, Soundgarden as classic rock. Their listeners are vastly different with the listeners of Journey, Bon Jovi, Steve Miller, Foreigner. The Cars have some classic rock elements yes.

Posted by Trea on Wednesday, 02/14/2024 @ 08:18am

It's not as strong a ballot as it was last year. Lenny Kravitz and Peter Frampton I'm sorry to say don't deserve to be in at all, but given what I know about the Hall voters, they probably will get in. Foreigener, Sinead O'Connor and Dave Matthews Band are not un-worthy, but I don't regard them as major snubs, there are a lot more worthy artists who aren't in. Oasis are absolutely essential, and the other 9 (Mariah Carey, Ozzy Osbourne, Eric B. & Rakim, A Tribe Called Quest, Cher, Sade, Jane's Addiction, Mary J. Blige and Kool & the Gang) are also worthy, but it's still a somewhat weak ballot.

Posted by Daniel Beggs on Wednesday, 02/14/2024 @ 08:28am

The side category in this year will be way more interesting than performers

Posted by chasingwildcat on Wednesday, 02/14/2024 @ 08:40am

Chasingwildcat

Especially when two of the nominees (Lenny and Q-Tip) were influenced by a band whose members are seemingly campaigning for an induction

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 02/14/2024 @ 09:59am

trea,

i disagree. the average classic rock fan (myself included) listens to everything from every era of rock. i love nirvana and GNR, Donovan and PJ Harvey, CSN and Rage, Chuck Berry and Soundgarden, Talking Heads and Eagles, Warren Zevon and T Rex. theres a lot of cross pollination and in the streaming era where all music is so instantly accesible, modern rock fans mostly teenagers listen to everything under the rock sun because theres no point in seperating Blondie from aerosmith anymore, ive got both bands on my wall.

Posted by will m on Wednesday, 02/14/2024 @ 10:19am

Lenny Kravitz, Sheryl crow, and the black crowes are all putting out new albums this year. if oasis did a reunion album itd be a revival (hehe) year for extremely derivative 90s acts

Posted by Will M on Wednesday, 02/14/2024 @ 10:22am

chasingwildcat,

the lack of phil solo is still really suprising to me. hes far more well recoeved now than lionel, and considering his poor health over the past few years (steve hackett recently said he was really worried for Phil) i thought theyd like to get him in solo while hes still with us

also 2022 was such a good year for my favorites (priest, duran duran, carly simon, pat benatar) that i like to ignore lionels induction

Posted by will m on Wednesday, 02/14/2024 @ 10:26am

Potential silver lining to a Lenny induction: he brings our Bachman Cummings and plays the ORIGINAL version of American woman. Next year guess who get nominated/inducted

Posted by Will M on Wednesday, 02/14/2024 @ 10:33am

Will m,

I dont mean listeners in our generations. Many of us listen to music from all eras, Beatles, Duran, White Stripes, Radiohead, T.Rex... But yes many boomers do not care about new music except young acts are extremy popular like Madonna, U2, Nirvana, Metallica, Eminem... And the concept of classic rock is mainly established on baby boomer listeners.

Posted by trea on Wednesday, 02/14/2024 @ 10:39am

The unsolicited thoughts of a 40 something year old vegetarian in upstate New York. I am glad to see that people have moved on and are considering this institution as a popular music hall of fame.

Mary J. Blige - Does not deserve to be nominated.
Mariah Carey - Absolutely deserves to be nominated and is in my top five picks. She has garnered an impressive list of number 1 hits. (Billboard sadly has allowed record companies to manipulate their charts, not all of her number 1 hits are deserved but most certainly are). She writes many of her songs and can actually sing.
Cher - Cher has been around for a long time and is a no brainer.
Dave Matthews Band - This band does not deserve to even be nominated.
Eric B. & Rakim - With all the huge names this act will be forgotten.
Foreigner - This act is a monster of AOR rock and had huge crossover appeal. Lou Gramm is a great singer. Definitely deserves to be inducted.
Peter Frampton - Its nice to have him nominated, but he doesnt deserve to be inducted this year. Even if 7 are inducted, he still doesnt deserve it.
Jane's Addiction - Big No.
Kool & the Gang - Absolutely. This is a group everyone likes. Hopefully next year the Pointer Sisters are nominated. Kool will be inducted and deserves it,
Lenny Kravitz - As others have brilliantly pointed out this artist is the male equivalent to Sheryl Crow. Crow is a kiss ass, and so is he. Neither deserve to be. nominated let alone inducted.
Oasis - This band is awesome and embodies the spirit of Rock and Roll. My only fear is they are too British and may suffer the same fate as the incredible Kate Bush. It may take a few nominations for Oasis to be inducted. But, if it were up to me they deserve induction right away.
Sinéad O'Connor - Her most known song is a Prince song. She does not deserve to even be nominated so soon. She is not in the same league as Kate Bush let alone dozens of other female artists.
Ozzy Osbourne - Black Sabbath is already inducted. I would not induct him, but he is the biggest lock. He is part of American pop culture and is as beloved as Willie & Dolly.
Sade - For me this is the most exciting nomination. I would love to see them inducted. She has been doing her own thing and doing it well. I think this band stands an outside chance of induction.
A Tribe Called Quest - Not a chance.

Will absolutely be inducted:
Ozzy Osbourne
Foreigner
Cher
Kool & The Gang
Mariah Carey

Those with a big chance:
Lenny Kravitz or Oasis. As the male Sheryl Crow he sadly is very likely to be put in. But, if members are really being rock and roll they will vote for Oasis.
Either Sinead O'Connor or Sade. Sinead doesnt deserve to be inducted but she has huge name recognition and her untimely death may guilt many members. But, if people are voting on talent, longevity and total class then Sade gets in.

The others do not stand a chance.

Posted by askyofhoney on Wednesday, 02/14/2024 @ 11:07am

Will m

Yea that's my thinking

Between and Q-Tip (who has sampled the guess who on I think 2 or 3 songs) I'm very curious if the guess who were mentioned at all

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 02/14/2024 @ 11:12am

My guess for musical excellence/musical influence from past inductees in this year (Likelihood from high to low)

MC5
Devo
The Meters
Graham Parsons
New York Dolls
Joe Tex
The J. Geils Band

Posted by chasingwildcat on Wednesday, 02/14/2024 @ 11:12am

The most nominated nominee this year is A Tribe Called Quest, with only 3 nominations. It seems the Hall is attempting to prevent acts from receiving nominations again and again, aiming to keep the ballot fresh each year. In the past, Kraftwerk, MC5, Rage and Chaka Khan frequently appeared on the ballot, potentially causing voter fatigue. I speculate that the new threshold for nomination may be three times. If an act isn't nominated after three attempts, they may be considered for induction into a side category.

Therefore, I think if Tribe are not inducted in this year, they will destined for musical excellence in next year.

What do you think?

Posted by chasingwildcat on Wednesday, 02/14/2024 @ 11:17am

chasingwildcat,

i feel like thats happening with DEVO, (even tho kate and spinners went in on fourth shot), theyre ballot absense this year feels like a ME reservation slot like chaka last year. we all felt chaka ME last year, we all feel DEVO me this year, gut instinct cant be wrong.

however i feel out of all with currently 3 noms (besides tribe), War have the best shot of returning. i beleive they could get on another ballot

Posted by will m on Wednesday, 02/14/2024 @ 11:21am

Three is way too little unless they place last each time. Five nominations should be the limit before you're off ballot and have to be side categories or left out for good

If it was three then Spinners, Rage and Kate Bush would have been side categoried and that would have been a bad look. Given Rage got five nominations up to last year I do not think they'll change it, it's always been sproadic based on artist. Some only got two before being side categoried and some get up to 11

Posted by Guest on Wednesday, 02/14/2024 @ 11:24am

Also they need to be like baseball and other sports hall of fames where they directly tell you the max amount of ballots you're allowed on so people know when its the last chance instead of just gambling if they'll get two like Link Wrey or 11 like Chic

If you brought Devo back and said next year is the last time they'd be allowed on performers ballot everyone who'd ever vote for them would so we'd know if they are actually HOF worthy instead of just going on feels because they couldn't crack top 5 back when it was top 5 on an 16 choice ballot. There'd be a greater chance for induction

Posted by Guest on Wednesday, 02/14/2024 @ 11:30am

mariah is doing a remix of that recent ariana grande song


side note: ariana has some good songs but i could not stand "yes and?". theres some great house stuff but that single just annoys me

Posted by will m on Wednesday, 02/14/2024 @ 11:51am

Will M,
I guess you got a point but Frampton to me screams more Musical Excellence than the Performers list. I imagine if he lost out of the performers list, he'd be a shoo-in at the ME category along with DEVO and God knows who else. That said, because the list is so chaotic, anyone could get in (except EB&R and Jane's Addiction lol).

JA always gets nominated in the unlucky years! I hate that for them. Perry and Dave's sexy behinds definitely deserve it but I guess the Rock Hall does too. Seeing as Soundgarden keeps getting overlooked. Guess they're not gonna nominate them unless JA gets in.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Wednesday, 02/14/2024 @ 12:26pm

Speaking of Mariah, I just thought of something: I think her annual Christmas tour will start sometime in November and since the induction ceremony is around the same time period, you think this will go against her? I think that's what happened with one nominee. They couldn't induct this person cause they were touring around the time the induction ceremony was to take place so voters switched to another nominee? Maybe I'm wrong though. I'm just bringing out a few scenarios lol

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Wednesday, 02/14/2024 @ 12:30pm

Chasingwildcat,
Honestly it's surprising Phil hasn't gotten a solo nod yet. I thought after Lionel got his induction that Phil was up next (yeah I know the Commodores weren't nominated/inducted but that's besides the point). But I guess after Ozzy, he seems to be a fair choice.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Wednesday, 02/14/2024 @ 12:34pm

@Timothy Pernell

I just realised that this year is the 30th anniversary of her Christmas song. Maybe she has a big campaign planned. I think Disney of all entertainment properties would be more than happy to have her sing it at the induction ceremony lol

I also went into a bit of a Mariah binge in the last week since all this discussion has kind of radicalized me towards her, and discovered a couple interesting things:

-She and Lenny Kravitz were friends as struggling young artists in NYC before either had a record deal, along with Will Smith
-She is/was close friends with the Sharon and Ozzy, whom she would call every Christmas and sing Black Sabbath (according to Kelly Osbourne)
-And MOST interestingly, she secretly recorded an alt-rock album (a la Hole, Garage, Alanis, et al) in the mid 90's, had her friend sing over her vocals as lead (I think) and the whole thing has been released and under our noses this entire time. Called "Someone's Ugly Daughter" and they named the band Chick. One of their music videos was even in an episode of Beavus and But head. DID ANYBODY KNOW THIS?? https://pitchfork.com/thepitch/the-story-behind-mariah-careys-secret-90s-alt-rock-album/

Posted by ChrisD on Wednesday, 02/14/2024 @ 12:48pm

askyofhoney

Yeah, Nothing Compares 2 U is Sinéad's biggest hit, but that's not her entire story. Her first two albums "The Lion and the Cobra" and "I Do Not Want What I Haven't Got" are highly essential albums as far as women singer/songwriters in alt-rock goes.

Sinéad and Kate share a lot in common because they both paved the way for the same group of female alt-rock singers like Tori Amos, PJ Harvey, Dolores O'Riordan, Sarah McLachlan, Alanis Morissette, and Fiona Apple. Alanis without a doubt is the one she influenced the most because Jagged Little Pill is very Sinéad-esque with Alanis' singing style and raw, intense songwriting.

At the time when Sinéad first burst into the music scene with her awesome debut album "The Lion and the Cobra", women weren't supposed to be angry in their music. They kicked the door open with an album which showcased her volatile songwriting of taboo subject matters while displaying rage.

Posted by Elle Dee on Wednesday, 02/14/2024 @ 13:04pm

askyofhoney

Yeah, Nothing Compares 2 U is Sinéad's biggest hit, but that's not her entire story. Her first two albums "The Lion and the Cobra" and "I Do Not Want What I Haven't Got" are highly essential albums as far as women singer/songwriters in alt-rock goes.

Sinéad and Kate share a lot in common because they both paved the way for the same group of female alt-rock singers like Tori Amos, PJ Harvey, Dolores O'Riordan, Sarah McLachlan, Alanis Morissette, and Fiona Apple. Alanis without a doubt is the one she influenced the most because Jagged Little Pill is very Sinéad-esque with Alanis' singing style and raw, intense songwriting.

At the time when Sinéad first burst into the music scene with her awesome debut album "The Lion and the Cobra", women weren't supposed to be angry in their music. She kicked the door open with an album which showcased her volatile songwriting of taboo subject matters while displaying rage.

Posted by Elle Dee on Wednesday, 02/14/2024 @ 13:07pm

elle dee,

nothing against sinead here, but joan jett and the runaways were recording "angry" music in the late 70s. Cherry Bomb is a pretty furious song, and Joans first solo album is mostly rage. plus im sure theres more people from prior years that im forgetting but joan was definitly making angry songs before sinead

Posted by will m on Wednesday, 02/14/2024 @ 13:23pm

will m,

But in her songs, Sinead was expressing anger in a personal way. In a way that's different from Joan Jett, Patti Smith, and those before her. She was expressing rage and turmoil in a way with her voice and songwriting that most female singer/songwriters before her (except Kate Bush with "The Dreaming") were probably too scared to display because it would've alienated mainstream listeners.

Posted by Elle Dee on Wednesday, 02/14/2024 @ 13:30pm

I don't see Sinead making induction 1st time around. Cher and Mariah are a formidable 1-2 combination. It would be interesting Cher & Mariah combining on a song during the ceremony. They could have moved Peter Frampton to 1 of the Special Awards. I guess the RRHOF Committee wants to watch Frampton's votes 1st time around. He probably replaced Warren Zevon this time around. I remember Richie asking me what would be your 2x Inductees. My response was Diana Ross & Phil Collins. Ross will be 80 years old this March. That could have been quite a celebration birthday. Similar to Willie Nelson's 90th birthday last April. Phil Collins I thought was a slam dunk for this year. Peter Gabriel has been inducted nearly a decade now. Collins songs were everywhere in the 1980's and 1990's. He also has a signature unique voice. One of the best ever.
Ozzy Osbourne was an intelligent choice by the Committee. They tried Judas Priest and Iron Maiden for a few years. They ended up giving Judas Priest a Special Award. Iron Maiden still hasn't been inducted. Soundgarden also has not been inducted. Ozzy definitely has star power and was inducted with Black Sabbath. He should collect many votes from both hard rock and metal votes and the English block of musicians.
I'm hoping Lenny Kravitz & Kool And The Gang earn induction. They really are deserving but it's another strong nominee class.
KING

Posted by KING on Wednesday, 02/14/2024 @ 14:57pm

Here's who I think will get inducted as of now (might change later):

Cher
Mariah
Kool and the Gang
Ozzy
Sinead
Dave Matthews Band
A Tribe Called Quest

I'll break down my reasons later on this week

Posted by Elle Dee on Wednesday, 02/14/2024 @ 15:51pm

out of rolling stones top 50 from the 2023 version of the 500 best albums list,
only 11 are by non hall of famers.
#49 aquemeni-Outkast
#44 illmatic-nas
#43 low end theory-tribe
#37 The Chronic-Dr Dre (hes in w nwa tho)
#33 back to black-amy winehouse (not eligible yet)
#32 lemonade-beyonce (not eligible yet)
#28 voodoo-D Angelo
#27 Enter th wu tang-Wu tang clan
#19 TPAB-Kendrick (not yet eligible)
#17 dark twisted fantasy-kanye (hes basically blacklisted forever i assume, not yet eligible)
#10 the miseducation of lauren hill

this means nothing for induction chances but its interesting to look at. theres no way im picking apart the other 450 albums lol

Posted by will m on Wednesday, 02/14/2024 @ 18:53pm

another interesting thing to note is that between all hip hop inductees, 12 or 13 if you count rage against the machine which i will for the sake of the argument

3 are from california and LA: NWA, Tupac, Rage
1 is from detroit: Eminem
the other 9 are all new yorkers: Furious 5, Run DMC, Beasties, Public Enemy, Missy, Kool Herc, Jay Z, LL,

and if Tribe, Eric B/Rakim or Mary J are inducted, all are new yorkers

Posted by will m on Wednesday, 02/14/2024 @ 19:11pm

ChrisD,

Yeah I read of the Mariah-Lenny friendship. I think to exist as biracial/multi-racial artists in an industry where racial groups and genres are divided that they had a lot in common so no surprise they bonded.

Yeah I heard about the alt-rock album. I think she had wanted to put it out in the middle of the Merry Christmas and Daydream albums (or between Daydream and Butterfly, forget which) and Motolla was like "no".

Yeah, that's basically the factor that will help her get inducted (30th anniversary of the Christmas album, she probably has a Disney+ deal, so her induction chances are perfect if you don't think of her competition in this field).

I think it would make me EXTREMELY happy actually if Cher, MJB and Mariah all got in together this year. I changed my mind on Sinead, it's not her time yet.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Wednesday, 02/14/2024 @ 19:43pm

I don't know if anyone else has considered this but another factor I think that was beneficial for Mariah getting on the ballot is that the Foo Fighters (especially Pat Smear) who were FYE inductees, are huge fans of Mariah Carey.

"Like, Pat Smear loves Mariah Carey more than any other fing artist, ever. Pat Smear! The fing king of punk rock! He's a punk rock legend, and Butterfly by Mariah Carey is his favourite album of all time"

— Dave Grohl for The Irish Times

Posted by Ralib on Wednesday, 02/14/2024 @ 20:11pm

I don't know if anyone else has considered this but another factor I think that was beneficial for Mariah getting on the ballot is that the Foo Fighters (especially Pat Smear) who were FYE inductees, are huge fans of Mariah Carey.

"Like, Pat Smear loves Mariah Carey more than any other fing artist, ever. Pat Smear! The fing king of punk rock! He's a punk rock legend, and Butterfly by Mariah Carey is his favourite album of all time"

— Dave Grohl for The Irish Times

Posted by Ralib on Wednesday, 02/14/2024 @ 20:11pm

Just some thoughts regarding some idea of what people say for side category artists this year:

If MC5 gets ME it's expected, slightly disappointing they couldn't pull off performers but they had their chance six times and couldn't get votes. This is the year for it.

If Devo get ME it's rather disrespectful, they only had 3 shots when it was way harder and they are significant enough to be able to get a few more when all the other artists do. It would be the biggest name blunder to put into ME instead of performers so far.

If JD/NO get ME the Rock Hall has failed. Not as in they made a bad decision but that the entire Hall is a failed concept that failed to deliver its stated mission of signifying music influence or youth movements. It will be seen as a entirely illegitimate laughing stock, especially among younger generations, and at that point it's so far gone that it would be better to blow it up and start over again then continue the charade

Posted by Guest on Wednesday, 02/14/2024 @ 20:12pm

I'm starting to lean against predicting Sinead for this year. The reaction to her nomination given the circumstances has been abysmal. The rock hall now looks like opportunistic vultures by only acknowledging her immeaditely following her death. Had she been nominated just a year later it likely would be better received. And they ignored Tracy Chapman who's new relevance this year wasn't due to a tragic death. She would have been a slam dunk induction unlike this pr nightmare

Now this issues have nothing to do with her music, and this posthumous controversy would not even exist had she been honored in her lifetime.

And for other young tragic deaths like George Micheal and Whitney Houston, they waited befire nomination induction. Why is Sinead rushed to posthumous honor, that just feels like a necropsy

Posted by Will m on Wednesday, 02/14/2024 @ 20:21pm

Will M, I've noticed that too. Any artist that appears of the Rolling Stone 500 Greatest Albums and also has been quite successful with the general public and sold a lot of records are a high priority for the Rock Hall and you can except to see them on the ballot soon if they haven't already been inducted. However, some artists like D'Angelo and snubbed artists like Gram Parsons, who are heavily critically acclaimed but have had little mainstream success will have to wait longer because they'll be less recognized for their achievements by the voting body. They also seem to really take in to account career longevity (unless their impact was too revolutionary and huge to ignore, like Nirvana). So artists like Lauryn Hill and Jeff Buckley will likely have to wait a few years to be recognized.

Posted by Ralib on Wednesday, 02/14/2024 @ 20:21pm

Will M,

Also in response to your mot recent comment. I think the reason Sinead was chosen over Tracy, and I hate to make it about race but just noticing patterns of previous ballots. There's always at least one solo female artist that is selected for the rock/alternative category. And they're not in a rush to get Alanis in after what happened. At least nowadays, They try to be inclusive with who's selected to be on the ballot in regards to race and gender.

Posted by Ralib on Wednesday, 02/14/2024 @ 20:25pm

D'Angelo will be nominated sooner then people think. Sade is being nominated now in part to set up those later artists nominations, because Sade absolutely needs to be inducted first before any of those 90s or later neo-soul artists can be. Even Tribe could be argued as being a setup since those early albums have been said by some to be a direct influence on that wave of music.

It'll come but they are busy getting some of the earlier pioneers in first as they should. They fully intend to nominate artists like that down the line

Posted by Guest on Wednesday, 02/14/2024 @ 20:31pm

i think fugees might be more likely than lauryn solo. you induct the 3 of them and lauryn can still do doo wop that thing. hell they could be the headliners and do 3 group tracks, 2 miseducation songs w santana guesting on to zion and 1 wyclef track. thatd be a huge sell. no ghetto superstar tho lol cause pras went to jail for treason and foreign espionage.

i listened to dangelos 3 albums for the first time today which got me thinking of the top 500 albums list. Mary J Blige is representative of neo soul on this ballot. i dont think shes as well regarded as erykah or lauryn but she defintily came first so their doing right by pushing mary j first.

Posted by will m on Wednesday, 02/14/2024 @ 20:48pm

the chronic is higher on rolling stone list than straight outta compton but nwa went in, same will happen fugees vs lauryn solo i feel. maybe lauryn gets a double induction for miseducation which would be 100% warrented that is a fantastic album, and admittedly ive not heard any fugees albums yet

Posted by will m on Wednesday, 02/14/2024 @ 20:51pm

Ralib,

I think what many complainers of the Rock Hall don't take into consideration is that a LOT of hard rock musicians LOVE the "non-hard rockers" like your Mariahs, Whitneys and such. Bon Jovi likely voted for Whitney when she was on the ballot (since both acts are from Jersey). So honestly, it doesn't matter what WE think, you have voters, some of which you wouldn't think would vote for someone like that and they do. That's what makes it so rock and roll: doing the unpredictable. LOL you gotta love it.

Will M,

It does feel gross as hell and if I was a RRHOF voter, I wouldn't pick Sinead at this section. It doesn't do well for her or for the Hall. Now that's actually a legit complaint I do have (that and I don't think Lenny really qualifies for an induction despite his long career) about this list. But from what I gather, Donna Summer only got inducted a year after her death because she was constantly snubbed while alive. Inductions after death don't happen often (and shouldn't). I like the Country Music Hall's rule. It definitely should apply to the RRHOF.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Wednesday, 02/14/2024 @ 21:18pm

Just before anyone gets confused by my wording, I mean, posthumous nods should wait for at least after three years at least. :)

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Wednesday, 02/14/2024 @ 21:21pm

Will m

Agree about Sinead. This nomination isn't landing well and that could push voters away to avoid making it worse.

The snubbing of Tracy is actually wild and confusing.

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 02/14/2024 @ 21:43pm

Timothy,

With Summer at least she'd been nominated in her lifetime, her passing pushed her over the edge into induction. So donnas didn't seem like a complete turnaround, it was long in the works.

I completely agree with you on the posthumous thing. It prevents gross scenarios like this. Although personally I'd make bands exempt from the rule, cause various groups can have members of varying importance that I wouldn't rule out any immediate posthumous nods for non solo acts. If Soundgarden had been nominated in 2018 right after Chris passed, at least Kim Matt and Ben could accept the awards

Posted by Will m on Wednesday, 02/14/2024 @ 22:16pm

I think that Jane's Addiction has a chance for induction and can be a huge wildcard.

Posted by Plebeian on Wednesday, 02/14/2024 @ 23:56pm

I am trying to figure out the best place to begin on this ballot. I'll be the first to admit, it threw me for a loop as coming out of left field and completely away from recent years' trends, which is where I've had my predictions in years past with usually good results. This isn't a terrible ballot, it does have more differences that harken more back to the 2000s and early 2010s than in recent years. After the Doobies, it seemed they were doing their best to be done with the 70s classic rock scene that so many of the rockist cult adhere to as the "real rock and roll", while their uncomprehending gray matter doesn't understand or doesn't want to comprehend that rock AND ROLL came from multiple influences and the genres, while I don't appreciate all of them universally, do belong in the rich cornucopia that sprang from "Rock Around the Clock". Indeed, some speculated that the 70s were all but *done and we were gonna have a quickening pace into the 90s and 2000s. I count 5 acts that either started or were their biggest in the 70s. A full third of the ballot. And I would bet at least 3 will be celebrating in Canton later this year.

I've had time to digest some of the nominees, and like I said, this isn't a bad class by far. I can probably find room in the hall for 13 of them. I'm not sold on Sinead O'Connor, and Peter Frampton is an enigma to me, as he has like 2 songs and that "wah-wah" thing people seem to love. I'll break down act by act as I have time, but I don't think there is a real rush.

On a side note, I think Lauryn Hill going in with the Fugees does indeed make more sense to a point. You get Wyclef Jean as well, and he is every bit as a megastar as Lauryn. However, Pras Mike has some legal issues, so it's kind of a mixed bag.

I've seen some people try to categorize this ballot in terms of the past. Put that out of your minds. The RRHOF is gonna shake things up this year, and just because one act can be slotted into A or B category or lane, doesn't mean they are gonna get in or only get votes from like artists/critics. I'm betting we get 2-3 rock acts alone in the Hall this year, Mariah, Cher and Mary J could each be on the stage in the fall...there's no telling how this is gonna end up.

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 02/15/2024 @ 00:36am

Plebeian,

could you explain more about your support for Janes Addiction. A little surprising for me.

Posted by chasingwildcat on Thursday, 02/15/2024 @ 02:34am

Speaking of wild cards


Lenny Kravitz feels like her could really end up inducted. Like seriously. Critics hate him, he's got limited influence but the man is well liked. He just exists to show up at award shows, in concerts, on soundtracks, he sold well, he's everyone's friend, he's well connected.

Like would anyone be shocked to see him show up?

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 02/15/2024 @ 07:20am

And just to add Lenny is on the cover of people magazine this week much like his friend Lionel Richie was a week after his nomination

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 02/15/2024 @ 07:31am

Follow up

Funny how none of the nominated women are in this video

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C3X1Tn7MCYN/?igsh=MWw2NWtpNXUwdGMzOA==

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 02/15/2024 @ 09:16am

Mat r,

Lenny is proof that great connections helps you get things that should've otherwise went to those not so well known. I don't know how to explain Lenny, really. In terms of influence and impact, it's small. But he's the record winning holder of four Grammy Awards in the best male rock vocal category and he's also, like, the fifth or sixth best-selling artist on this list after Mariah, Foreigner, MJB, Cher and Frampton. Lenny could definitely be the Lionel Richie of the 2024 class. We'll have to wait and see. I wouldn't be mad if he got in but yeah lol

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Thursday, 02/15/2024 @ 09:17am

It's interesting Siouxsie and banshees have not been nominated. Greg Harris was on Budgie and Lol Tolhursts podcast and I'd think the banshees would be a notable name after Depeche Mode NIN and Cure. Maybe they waiting after JDNO? They're definitely more popular than like bauhaus or magazine (John McGeoch deserves a triple induction btw). Must be anti British bias

Posted by Will on Thursday, 02/15/2024 @ 09:31am

The video mat r sent is what made me think of Siouxsie btw.

Posted by Will m on Thursday, 02/15/2024 @ 09:36am

My 7 predicted inductees are Peter Frampton, Foreigner, Ozzy, Mariah Carey, Kool & the Gang, Cher, Lenny as of now.

Posted by power on Thursday, 02/15/2024 @ 09:38am

If Siouxsie and the Banshees are finally inducted, I believe PJ Harvey will also be inducted. Honestly, I think there will be a general shift towards Pitchfork/hipster-like ballots in certain years, but this will not happen in recent classes. Perhaps sometime after 2030? By then, Joy Division, Pixies, and Sonic Youth would be a done deal and easily voted in. Recent classes will still reflect boomer nostalgia and pop pandering, but this mode cannot continue permanently, and change will be made at some point.

Posted by chasingwildcat on Thursday, 02/15/2024 @ 09:42am

Yes, the final result could also surprise everyone; no one expected Rage to be inducted in 2023. I feel the performer inductees this year could also have some surprises.

Posted by power on Thursday, 02/15/2024 @ 09:47am

Mat r,

I think Peter Frampton indeed has had some impact on younger acts. For example, he deeply influenced U2, as evidenced by Bono's open letters. He also has relationships with Pearl Jam, Sheryl Crow, and the Foo Fighters. I believe lots of young voters in the rock genre will consider voting for him.

If he is not voted in main category, I think he will be inducted in Musical Excellence in this year.

Posted by power on Thursday, 02/15/2024 @ 09:51am

Power

Again that sounds like a vying for #7 which isn't a great place to be. What does tre cool or harry styles or jay z or h.e.r. or Lorde or pink think about him?

Timothy pernell

Yep Lenny feels like an elephant in the room. Prior to the nominations he was up for a golden globes and awarded the global impact award from the black music collective of the recording academy (the grammys) alongside Mariah Carey. The Esquire profile and now the people profile and the guy is red hot as voting starts.

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 02/15/2024 @ 10:30am

Mat R,

In addition, Lenny Kravitz will be receiving the Music Icon Award at the People's Choice Awards this Sunday as well.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/15/2024 @ 10:39am

Mat r, Ritchie, and power,

He's also doing a new album this year. A rock hall induction would be the cherry on top of a phenomenal year for him

Posted by Will m on Thursday, 02/15/2024 @ 10:44am

Lenny's candidacy is considerably weaker compared to Sheryl Crow's. Sheryl Crow has at least influenced artists like Taylor Swift and Olivia Rodrigo (in songwriting), and has somewhat impacted St. Vincent and other indie female acts—not necessarily in songwriting, but in attitudes and artistic imagery. What genre has Lenny influenced, or which major acts have been primarily influenced by Lenny? While it's true that black rock has long been overlooked, and he represents black rock musicians, his influence is even less significant than Sheryl Crow's. We can expect some songs that were once popular but are now somewhat outdated from him, and his influence doesn't match that of Sheryl Crow.

Posted by power on Thursday, 02/15/2024 @ 10:46am

I believe one possible way to improve the diversity and inclusiveness of the Rock Hall is by inducting artists based on genre. For instance, each year, we could induct one metal/heavy rock act, one pop star, one old-school R&B act, one alternative act, one new wave/early post-punk act, one hip-hop act, and one classic rock act. We could nominate only 2-3 acts for each genre. For example, in the metal genre, we could nominate Iron Maiden and Motorhead, ensuring that the act with the most votes between these two gets inducted. This approach is somewhat akin to how the Grammys have different awards for various genres.

If influential artists in certain genres are lacking, we could substitute that genre with other genres that lack recognition. This strategy could effectively reduce the problem of a biased voting body and ensure better representation of different genres.

Posted by chasingwildcat on Thursday, 02/15/2024 @ 11:12am

I think Oasis is a real Wild Card. Oasis exploded in the mid 1990's when some of these younger RRHOF voters were growing up. Excellent vocals and guitar work. Impressive songwriting. An updated version of The Beatles. In the Gallagher brothers, an interesting The Kinks type dynamic. Sometimes, there is a strong affinity and sentimentality to someone's 1st love music. The Voting block has ballooned to over 1,200+ voters. Their music would appeal to those who like great guitar rock and roll. Vocally strong and outstanding songwriters. Champagne Supernova is a real banger. 1 of my FAVS. Wonderwall was a giant hit for Oasis. Wonderwall must have been played thousands of times in the 90's. They also will collect votes from the English rock musicians. From previous voting years, the English musicians have great pride in voting fellow English Nominees into the Hall. There's a great camaraderie and spirit. Many have known each other over the years or toured together. I noticed in the Irish musicians a similar pride and spirit. We have seen over the years musicians who did not like the Hall for whatever reason earn Induction anyway. This is another strong slate of Nominees but Oasis has a good chance. I didn't place Oasis in my original 7 Inductees but might reconsider later down the line.
KING

Posted by KING on Thursday, 02/15/2024 @ 11:32am

Power

Looking at all music with regards to Lenny's influence: buckcherry, kid Rock, Macy grey, Steve lacy, and D'Angelo. I can see the influence but I would not call in by any stretch a key influence on these acts. I do think there's a fair bit of influence of Lenny on guys like Ben Harper and Danko Jones, who followed him into the realm of black artists making rock music (after the rise of rap) and being successful however neither has really commented on it, Danko I think said success led Lenny to making soft music.

Beyond that Bruno Mars, Adam Levine, and Chad Kroeger certainly were influenced at least style wise by Lenny.

I do think Lenny is actually a good candidate due to profile despite this, probably the strongest of any black rock act currently eligible.

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 02/15/2024 @ 11:32am

This list from rolling stone has proven to be a good predictor of which 90's artists will show up on the ballot.

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-lists/20-artists-eligible-for-the-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-next-29781/radiohead-30-222153/

Posted by Ralib on Thursday, 02/15/2024 @ 11:46am

chasingwildcat,

ehhh thats a stretch. weve seen very informal lanes and totem poles but its best to keep those as non explicit. if one act was filed under a lane they disagree with you create problems. plus it opens into semi discrimination if ONLY 1 new wave, 1 rnb etc. the grammys have faced criticism for this too, remember tyler the creator called them out for the "urban" category (i completeely agreed there btw). it wouldnt be a great look espeically with their melting pot pr image they like to push

Posted by will m on Thursday, 02/15/2024 @ 11:59am

chasingwildcat,

Yeah a few reasons. Not trying to convince you but here's mine:

-Perry Farrell has some good connections. Howard Stern, Flea, and Tom Morello are pretty outspoken supporters for Jane's Addiction. Helps that Farrell founded the Lollapalooza music festival so even more behind the scenes music industry people help too. Would be an added bonus in Perry could be a worthy member of the voting committee.
-Being middle of the pack. Jane might not be mainstream nor would be a person's first choice on their ballot. But just getting those votes enough to still hang around the #7-9 spot will still give them some momentum. Worked for The Spinners IMO.
-No real competition. They may have one in Oasis and DMB but all three are musically different that voters will not lump them all because they are defined by one decade (90s).
-Critical acclaim; Let's face it a lot of these acts don't exactly have the best acclaim. Jane joins Oasis, Tribe, Eric B. And Rakim, and few others that can garner some nice critics votes. Critics don't matter but they have a say albeit in some niche way.

Those would be my reasons. I hope I helped you understand. :)

Posted by Plebeian on Thursday, 02/15/2024 @ 18:40pm

Which acts do you think have the biggest beneficiary of the acts nominated this year for 2024 next year for 2025?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/15/2024 @ 18:59pm

I think there will be a general shift towards Pitchfork/hipster-like ballots in certain years, but this will not happen in recent classes. Perhaps sometime after 2030? By then, Joy Division, Pixies, and Sonic Youth would be a done deal and easily voted in. Recent classes will still reflect boomer nostalgia and pop pandering, but this mode cannot continue permanently, and change will be made at some point.

The current ballot is still based on the boomer or early Gen X perspective. The perspectives of the nominating committee are still boomer-based. Their understanding of newer rock music is limited to some pop stars, and they ignore many real rock innovators like Joy Division, Iron Maiden, The Smiths, Sonic Youth, and Pixies. Sonic Youth and Pixies have a ton of listeners on Spotify now, and they are relevant among young listeners. However, they will not be seriously discussed in these boomer-based nominating committees as they are not valued and seen as too niche. The nominating committee cannot grasp the true evolution of rock music and fails to capture the interest of young people.

I am not against the nominations of some pop stars like Mariah Carey... But this year's nominees consist of acts who are primarily chosen for their ability to sell tickets or could potentially sell tickets in the eyes of the RRHOF. Peter Frampton and Lenny Kravitz have somewhat limited contributions and influence on rock and roll music compared to a ton of names that are still waiting for the call. They are considered B or C level in their respective eras, but many A level acts, who may not be friends with nominating committee members or whose listeners differ from these industry voters, are still waiting and could potentially wait forever. This is a very bad sign.

RRHOF believe they have already acknowledged nearly all young influential rock bands, and the remaining snubs in rock are comprised of pop stars and niche acts such as the Smiths, Joy Division, the Replacements, Pixies, Sonic Youth, and to some extent, Soundgarden. Therefore, they perceive pop stars as the biggest remaining rock snubs and advocate for their inclusion as rock and roll picks from their standpoint.

Remember what Steven Van Zandt said: "Radiohead and the Cure should not be inducted before J Geils Band." Excuse me? But this reflects the perspective of many baby boomers and even some industry insiders, as Radiohead and the Cure are not favored by these industry figures. Fortunately, they were inducted, and if they are nominated this year, I fear they will be snubbed.

Posted by chasingwildcat on Thursday, 02/15/2024 @ 20:09pm

Why is the Jane's addiction chat solely about perry Ferrell? Dave Navarro is probably better known and better connected within the industry

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 02/15/2024 @ 20:11pm

Chasing wildcat,

I semi agree with little Steven there cause I hate Radiohead, and j Geils band have some really great songs. He was definitely wrong about the cure tho they're far more important than j Geils band

Posted by Will m on Thursday, 02/15/2024 @ 20:25pm

My prediction of the side categories:

Musical Excellence:

DEVO
John Prine (I keep going back between Prine and Warren Zevon on this)
Carol Kaye

Musical Influence:

Dionne Warwick
MC5

Non-Performer:

The OG MTV VJs - Martha Quinn, Nina Blackwood,
Mark Goodman, Alan Hunter, J. J. Jackson

Posted by Elle Dee on Thursday, 02/15/2024 @ 21:22pm

My prediction of the side categories:

Musical Excellence:

DEVO
John Prine (I keep going back and forth with Prine and Warren Zevon on this)
Carol Kaye

Musical Influence:

Dionne Warwick
MC5

Non-Performer:

The OG MTV VJs - Martha Quinn, Nina Blackwood,
Mark Goodman, Alan Hunter, J. J. Jackson

Posted by Elle Dee on Thursday, 02/15/2024 @ 21:24pm

This is my prediction of the 5-7 inductees.

Ozzy Ozbourne: The Fan Vote leader, was already voted in with Black Sabbath so the voting body is likely already fans and willing to put him in solo as well.


Sade: A lot of people here seem to underestimate her chances; I was the first one to predict her being on the ballot here and not many agreed. The fact is she has a lot of support and acclaim from people in the music industry and those associated with the Hall (Like Rolling Stone). One of the best predictors of a future inductee is having a perfect 100 album rating from Rolling Stone and she has this, as well as being #60 on VH1's List of the 100 greatest artists of all time. Everyone eligible on that list has been inducted except for Sade, Mary J Blige, and Mariah Carey. And Sade is the highest one on the list that hasn't got in yet. In addition to this all her albums always go multi-platinum regardless of how long it's been since she released music. She's a near lock imo.

Kool & The Gang - Will take the spot of The Spinners, If Spinners could get in over ATCQ I see the same thing happening this year.

Foreigner - The only popular classic rock act on the ballot. They're a lock.

Mariah Carey - She's too big to not get in her first ballot, and this is not a very competitive ballot. People have said she will face competition from those in her same genre like Sade, Lenny, Mary, and Cher for the pop spot. But I think no matter how much vote splitting there is, Mariah is still gonna have enough votes to be in the top 5 -7. Her combination of popularity and industry respect is superior compared to the others on the ballot. The only people that likely wont choose her are rock purists, but as history has shown, there aren't enough of those in the voting body to stop huge pop acts from getting in.

I'll add Oasis and Cher if there are seven.

Posted by Ralib on Thursday, 02/15/2024 @ 21:31pm

The artists who benefit the most from each nominee getting in

Jane's addiction - Soundgarden, Pixies, Motley Crue

Mariah Carey - Lauryn Hill, Boyz 2 men, Britney Spears

Ozzy Osbourne - iron maiden, motorhead, Motley Crue

Oasis - Coldplay, Smiths, joy division/new order

Mary J Blige - Lauryn Hill, salt-n-pepa, dr. Dre

Lenny Kravitz - the guess who, D'Angelo, black Crowes

Dave Matthews band - Hootie and the blowfish, phish, john mayer

Sade - human league, simply red, D'Angelo

Cher - Cyndi Lauper, daft Punk, the carpenters

Foreigner - Styx, j geils band, nilsson

Kool and the Gang - war, Barry White, Teddy Pendergrass

Sinead O'Connor - Tracy Chapman, tori Amos, enya

A Tribe Called Quest - Wu-Tang Clan, Outkast, de la soul

Eric b and Rakim - ice T, slick rick, queen Latifah

Peter Frampton - Bryan Adams, billy Squier, Kenny Loggins

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 02/15/2024 @ 21:40pm

I don't believe that future nominations or inductions will necessarily be influenced by past inductees.

As we've seen this year, it seems that the nomination committee doesn't prioritize including certain people from specific genres. Instead, they sometimes seem to prioritize stacking names to sell tickets or simply to disregard Jann Wenner. Therefore, I doubt that the induction of some acts will necessarily lead to the nomination or induction of related acts now.

Posted by power on Thursday, 02/15/2024 @ 21:52pm

I think Luther has better chance than Teddy, he has more hits and is more influential in music evolution.

Posted by power on Thursday, 02/15/2024 @ 21:53pm

Power

I think Luther does but I don't think Kool aid the gang due much there. Mariah and Mary J would do more for Luther (also Babyface).

Also there are definitely nomcom members with targets and genres in mind. whether they succeed in getting them on the ballot is another matter

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 02/15/2024 @ 22:01pm

Mat r,

I wouldn't put simply red as one of Sade's main beneficiaries. I'd say that's more so Erykah Badu or Phil Collin's solo. Then again, I'm not massive on Sade, I never associated them with the 90s Neo soul era until pointed out here. I always thought of them with steely Dan and Roxy music before

Posted by Will M on Thursday, 02/15/2024 @ 22:07pm

Will m

Fair but I think neither Badu or Collins needs a Sade induction while simply red seriously do.

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 02/15/2024 @ 22:10pm

Btravll (aka guest) said the following inside information regarding the 2024 official voting and his predictions for the 2024 inductees on Twitter and they are:

https://twitter.com/Btravll/status/1757661597974061456

my 4 initial picks (Mariah , Kool & The Gang , Cher , Frampton) , ++ Tribe , Eric B/Rakim , Sade , Oasis , Mary .....Frampton and Eric B/Rakim may be by committee ....this is just a very rough "gauge" ..Matthews is not helping his vote , by attacking Israel

So guest thinks that the 2024 inductees will be:

Mary J. Blige
Mariah Carey
Cher
Kool & The Gang
Oasis
Sade
A Tribe Called Quest

Eric B. & Rakim and Peter Frampton by the backdoor

He said last year on forums.stevehoffman.tv that he has predicted at a near perfect level for the last decade ++

https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/thread/2023-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees.1166615/page-28#post-31370952

and I have predicted at a near perfect level for the last decade ++

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/15/2024 @ 22:24pm

Thinking Collins would need a prior Sade induction is real out there, genre overlap isn't much and Collins is just a straight icon pick who is probably up next year.

However Badu 100% needs a Sade induction first as they clearly come first for R&B/soul. Not only debuting over a decade prior, but given this is a hall based on sales now apparently, Diamond Life alone has sold potentially 2x what Badu's entire career has, 3x the spotify listeners, etc. If they don't make it in Badu does not have any shot.

Posted by Guest on Thursday, 02/15/2024 @ 22:30pm

Richie,

That toolbag shouldn't be quoted. Don't bring that garbage here please. We don't need any fake insiders, and we all know you drink that koolaid

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 02/15/2024 @ 22:37pm

K-Dawg,

but he is real, so I don't care.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/15/2024 @ 22:43pm

Guest

Badu is like 7 artists removed from Sade. While they're in similar spaces, they're vastly different with Sade more in Roxy music meets Christopher cross territory and Badu more in a mary j blige realm. There's very little hip hop to sade. I'd wager she's more waiting on Lauryn than anyone else to come up

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 02/15/2024 @ 23:08pm

Now that simply red has been mentioned; it's worth noting that Mick Hucknall subbed in for Rod Stewart at the faces induction. It means nothing but if he was ever on a ballot then ron wood and Kenny jones would vote for him

Posted by Will m on Thursday, 02/15/2024 @ 23:14pm

Richie how can he be real if he was literally proven wrong last year?

Posted by Ralib on Friday, 02/16/2024 @ 00:28am

A bold prediction from Niagara Gazette. Bold because this type of induction will cause chaos on social media if the induction lacks Ozzy, Mariah and two hip-hop acts Eric B. & Rakim / A Tribe Called Quest.

Foreigner
Peter Frampton
Cher
Mary J. Blige
Sinéad
Oasis
Jane's Addiction



https://www.niagara-gazette.com/news/night_and_day/jennings-predicting-the-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fames-class-of-2024/article_dddbfab7-dc0c-5389-85ac-599e6ef82285.amp.html

Posted by Elle Dee on Friday, 02/16/2024 @ 00:45am

I feel Foreigner will soon be inducted. How many of these classic rock acts will ultimately be inducted?

ELP, Jethro Tull, Toto, Styx, REO Speedwagon, J Geils Band, Boston

With the likely induction of Kool & the Gang, I also sense that more old-school R&B acts may be recognized. How many of them will be inducted finally?

War, Barry White, The Meters, The JB's, Luther Vandross

Posted by chasingwildcat on Friday, 02/16/2024 @ 01:39am

Adding a few female I hope (but likely won't) get recognition next year:

*Grace Jones: As a result of the inevitable Cher induction, I hope she's considered next. She IS kind of like Cher, in the multi-facet, multi-genre, multi-media engagement kind of way, but she was always a tad edgier and consequently was never able to break into the core of mainstream pop. Her Nile Rodgers work is her best, but with shockingly bad chart results because the public decided they wanted Diana Ross as the waitress for the Nile Rodgers sound. She stayed far away from the David Fosters and the Diane Warrens in the 80's, whereas Cher caved to sustain herself. Nothing wrong with that (in terms of Cher), but doesn't that give Grace a "rock" edge?
*Kylie Minogue: There is something rock adjacent about how severe and unapologetic her electro pop catalogue is. She has lighter than marshmallow fluff in her 80's output that would send the rock purist into cardiac arrest, but that was only three years out of a nearly forty year career. By the time she reached the 90's, she was experimenting with esoteric themes and progressive sounds that predate a lot of what Madonna is credited for. Unfortunately nobody has really heard of this part of her career, because the general public prefers her sunny disco pastiche. Her American statistics are tiny in relative terms, but honestly, if there was such advocacy for Kate Bush to be inducted, who realistically never made a DENT in the American popular music landscape outside of the lottery ticket handed to her by Stranger Things, then Kylie should be considered too.
*Gloria Estefan/Miami Sound Machine: The Latino demographic is on track to dominating the US population, already with more Spanish speakers in the US than in Spain itself. It's more than time to recognise the contributions of Latin American music to rock and pop, and Gloria is a safe and palatable entry point. Actually I'm a little surprised she hasn't already been nominated considering the clout Emilio Estefan has as the equivalent to Clive Davis in Latin American music.
*Celia Cruz: Having said that, if we are going to establish a pecking order for this "kind" of induction, then Celia Cruz should be first. The Aretha Franklin of Latin music. Every one, every genre, is derivative.
*Wendy O. Williams/Plasmatics: Since her death she's pretty much become a name you need to discover from people who "were there"; but surprisingly, she's been namechecked by recent centrist pop girls like Miley Cyrus, who've referenced her in production aesthetics. There is speculation about the artistic direction Lady Gaga is taking for her next album, and people are saying she's going hard rock. I suspect we will see Wendy's influence bubble again.

Posted by ChrisD on Friday, 02/16/2024 @ 06:44am

There's no need to persuade richie anymore. He's made it clear that he believes in guest no matter what. Let's just leave it at that. There's no need to let this ruin your mood. Just take guest as entertainment, no need to take it seriously.

If richie sees guest as a source of comfort that can heal him, then that's fine too.

Posted by chasingwildcat on Friday, 02/16/2024 @ 09:08am

ChrisD

Kylie is a weird case cause she's pretty influential but she's also got a pretty weak overall catalog and disappears from relevance in the US for long, long stretches.

She, along with Robyn, is an artist who I think really needs an international category if they're to ever have a chance at induction.

Posted by Mat r on Friday, 02/16/2024 @ 09:09am

Anyway, richie is our good friend. Let's all try to be understanding towards richie. If he wants to post something about guest, let him do it.

Posted by chasingwildcat on Friday, 02/16/2024 @ 09:13am

unlike the previous suggestion of designated genre categories, i think an international category would be much better. world music isnt a genre and itd help seriously address long snubbed acts

also cant get you out of my head is an amazing song

Posted by will m on Friday, 02/16/2024 @ 09:27am

So for anyone that's tracking votes we have…

2 for Ozzy
2 for Cher
2 for Mariah
2 for Frampton
2 for Jane's
1 for Sinead
1 for Tribe
1 for Kravitz
1 for Kool
1 for Foreigner
1 for Oasis

0 votes for Blige, EBR, DMB, and Sade so far. The first two voters are Lindsey Parker and Howard Stern. Let me if you guys catch anymore coming soon.

Posted by Plebeian on Friday, 02/16/2024 @ 09:55am

Janes Addiction could be the critics favourite now, which I never expected

I think they will rotate with Soundgarden until these two are all in. but who knows, this year's nominees have no clear pattern

Posted by power on Friday, 02/16/2024 @ 10:37am

Jane's Addiction might also seriously be a major benefactor of the change to 7 votes. They are that cool alternative band in the middle of the rockist and poptimist voters so would partially appeal to both. They are rock enough for the traditional rockists who are maiming Ozzy, Frampton, Foreigner to vote for them over the pop/rap/R&B acts and alternative and weird enough to appeal to the Mariah, Cher, MJB, Tribe type voters to vote them over the boomer rock acts. Most voters want to vote for the max amount they can so Jane might be on a lot of people's 6th or 7th who aren't alternative first, and their 6th or 7th counts as much as their top pick. So that might balance out to being on enough ballots to make it in. Kool should be a benefactor to this too since this is likely how Spinners made it last year but with only 5 votes, Oasis potentially as well
Doesn't mean they will make it since most aren't predicting that but that's how I can see them , JD/NO, other alternative acts make it in over the rest of the decade. Coasting on being the 6th/7th pick to many getting them top half of overall votes, and that might be they way quite a few artists finally get inducted

Posted by Guest on Friday, 02/16/2024 @ 11:21am

I now think voting 7 makes prediction harder and almost everyone on ballot will have a chance.

Posted by power on Friday, 02/16/2024 @ 11:35am

Ozzy just hit 100k votes in the fan poll

Posted by Will m on Friday, 02/16/2024 @ 17:58pm

Everyone on the ballot is, in fact, competitive. Especially when we factor in the new 7 votes per ballot guideline. The only thing I know for certain is that there's absolutely no chance Mariah Carey isn't one of the seven inductees at the end of this process.

Posted by Casper on Friday, 02/16/2024 @ 20:00pm

Listening to who cares about to who cares about the rock hall, why did Joe get a ballot but Kristen didn't? Stupid sexist hall

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 02/17/2024 @ 00:05am

My dark horse: Lenny Kravitz. He will surprise this year

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 02/17/2024 @ 01:30am

The only act that does not have much of a chance is Eric B & Rakim. I think they will be inducted into a side category soon, as I do not believe the hall wants the hip-hop logjam to last much longer.

Posted by power on Saturday, 02/17/2024 @ 07:12am

Mat r,

I haven't watched it yet, is it addressed just to joe or does it have no name? There's a possibility they intended that ballot to cover both of them as the podcast? It's still stupid tho if that's the reason and they should petition for Kristen to have her own ballot

Posted by Will m on Saturday, 02/17/2024 @ 07:31am

Mat r,

Last year, you contacted some past inductees for their votes. Could you do the same thing this year? Thanks.

Posted by power on Saturday, 02/17/2024 @ 07:32am

Somes who should be there since long time:

Joe Cocker
Big Mama Thornton
John Mayall
Iron Maiden
Cliff Richard & The Shadows
Tom Jones
Gram Parsons
Johnny Winter
The Guess Who
Arthu Alexander

Posted by Denis on Saturday, 02/17/2024 @ 08:49am

Power

Could try only one really talked, 1 promised to go on the record but then ghosted.

Tried with: 1 modern rocker, 3 classic rockers, 1 rapper

A certain 1960s rocker (off the record) did out himself as just giving his ballot to someone else to fill out for him which makes you wonder how often that happens.

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 02/17/2024 @ 08:59am

Oasis reunion is gonna be tricky if that's the Hall's goal

https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/stories/liam-gallagher-we-put-an-offer-on-the-table-for-oasis-and-noel-said-no/

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 02/17/2024 @ 09:17am

Mat r,

I think i guessed Chris hillman last year but now I'm gonna ponder if it was Hugh Grundy of of the zombies ? I was thinking early inductees but the zombies are 60s and inducted 2019

Posted by Will M on Saturday, 02/17/2024 @ 09:45am

I'm so glad that official Rock Hall voters can now vote for 7 names instead of 5 and it's much shorter this time around from the nominee announcement a week ago on February 10 to the Fan Vote ending on April 26 and the inductee announcement in late April. So I'm very happy about that.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/17/2024 @ 10:09am

Mariah only has a 1,900+ lead against Kool and the Gang for the 7th spot on the fan vote.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Saturday, 02/17/2024 @ 10:23am

Casper,

Yeah you may be right (or wrong, depending on how things go lol). Also you have to think that everyone who gets the top positions of the fan vote (before it was 5, now 7) doesn't get picked and some who are at the bottom do.

In this scenario, we could have it where at least four people on the top 7:

Ozzy
Frampton
Cher
Foreigner

They get in, while these three from the bottom 8:

Kool & the Gang
MJB
A Tribe Called Quest

Also stands a chance of going in.

A lot of scenarios can exist when nomination numbers have increased.

There could even be a case where if there's 8 (meaning votes are close or tied), they could induct one more person (say Mariah or Lenny).

So it could go either way. People say this list is predictable (and boring) but I honestly don't see it that way. I think it can be kinda exciting.

We could have a situation where the list looks like this:
Ozzy
Foreigner
Cher
Sade
MJB
Jane's Addiction
Eric B. & Rakim

Or it looks like this:
Ozzy
Cher
Frampton
Kool & the Gang
MJB
Sinead
A Tribe Called Quest

Or:
Ozzy
Cher
Mariah
MJB
Foreigner
A Tribe Called Quest
Lenny (God forbid)

Or:
Ozzy
Oasis
Cher
MJB
ATCQ
Foreigner
Sade

To me, I think the only real locks on this list are Ozzy and Cher. Anyone else is going up for grabs atp.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Saturday, 02/17/2024 @ 10:32am

Will m

Here is a hint (assuming we're talking about the guy who gives away his ballot): He's not British and went in ages ago

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 02/17/2024 @ 10:35am

Mat r,

some member from beach boys, lovin spoonful, the rascals, CCR, the doors, grateful dead, velvet underground, byrds, Jefferson airplane.

Robby Krieger is my guess

Posted by power on Saturday, 02/17/2024 @ 10:58am

Power,

Considering the lovin spoonful and rascals played the same circuits as 3 dog night ( who that voter said wouldn't get in) I doubt it's either of those. Al Jardine Brian Wilson and Mike Love are also too busy and famoys I think to have responded to mat r. Someone like Tom Constanten or Moe Tucker are very good guesses.

I'm gonna say Tom Constanten cause he seemingly does nothing these days

Posted by Will m on Saturday, 02/17/2024 @ 11:31am

I want to know how much longer they're going to snub Outkast. Outkast should have been inducted as early as 2019. They have the best-selling hip-hop albums in history and one of the most iconic hip-hop songs. I feel like Outkast is being discriminated against by the RRHOF, even though Big Boi attended last year's induction ceremony.

Posted by Inducting Outkast please on Saturday, 02/17/2024 @ 11:56am

I feel like Yoko Ono is a possibility for a musical excellence induction. They love Beatles related anything at ceremony's (Brian Epstein 2014, Ringo 2015, Billy Preston 2021), and it's be a good look for them. Plus she's getting up in age too.

Posted by Will m on Saturday, 02/17/2024 @ 18:36pm

RATM voted in last year makes me think the current voting pool is ready to accept alternative acts without huge mainstream pop chart success. So I think Janes Addiction could sneak in this year.

What do you think?

Posted by Alec on Saturday, 02/17/2024 @ 20:47pm

Alec

Rage is pretty mainstream

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 02/17/2024 @ 21:28pm

THE 2024 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES

Cher
Ozzy Osbourne
Peter Frampton
Kool & The Gang
Foreigner
Lenny Kravitz
Mariah Carey

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 02/17/2024 @ 21:34pm

Mat r,

Rage Against the Machine are not mainstream. To be considered mainstream, a band must have US top 10 hits (or near top 10) to demonstrate a popular listener base. Otherwise, they may have a cult following or an alternative following, even if they have many listeners. Thus, bands like U2, REM, and Pearl Jam are mainstream, while to some extent, Depeche Mode, The Cure, and Smashing Pumpkins are also mainstream. However, bands like Rage Against the Machine, Jane's Addiction, and Soundgarden are not mainstream.

Posted by Alec on Sunday, 02/18/2024 @ 00:08am

Mat r,

Maybe I've got a warped view but I never thought of smashing pumpkins as mainstream. I never realized how much commercial success they had either. It's only recently where I hear 1979 on classic rock radio

Posted by Will M on Sunday, 02/18/2024 @ 06:06am

Cannot take the idea that having top 10 hits makes your more mainstream by heart. For bands it could signify which ones became massive over the others (like REM, Nirvana, Pearl Jam, etc), but for overall legacy and long-term appeal that means nothing because so many manufactured products hit top 10 and then never have any relevance again. Bands who don't hit it big might have longevity and legacy

Are we going to pretend Black Sabbath and Ozzy aren't mainstream? BS never hit above #60 on any song and Ozzy has one song that hit slightly above #30. So under that both aren't mainstream or known by anyone.

10,000 Maniacs would be bigger and more mainstream then Soundgarden, Radiohead, Rage since the had a song hit #11. Hell, we can now say that Barenaked Ladies are bigger then Nirvana, Pearl Jam, REM since they had a song hit #1 on the Hot 100 which none of those never accomplished and then another song in the top 15 so they are the most famous 90s alternative act

Posted by Guest on Sunday, 02/18/2024 @ 07:27am

If you have had at least one #1 song, you have achieved 'mainstream' success in a very short period.

Yes, Black Sabbath and Ozzy are considered 'mainstream', and the same goes for Iron Maiden, although they have sold a ton of albums. This is why Black Sabbath used almost 10 nominations to be voted in. They are 'cult', and likes of Stevie Wonder and Aretha Franklin never voted for them in their numerous nominations.

Yes, acts like the Goo Goo Dolls are more 'mainstream' than Jane's Addiction, Rage Against the Machine and Soundgarden, although the Goo Goo Dolls have almost no historical influence or impact.

Posted by Alec on Sunday, 02/18/2024 @ 08:03am

Black Sabbath and Ozzy are considered 'mainstream'

should be

Black Sabbath and Ozzy are not considered 'mainstream'

Posted by Alec on Sunday, 02/18/2024 @ 08:05am

Alec

Packing arenas, headlining major festivals, having a UK #1, and 3 multi-platinum albums, two of which reached #1, is pretty mainstream.

By your logic Chris Gaines is more mainstream than Garth Brooks.

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 02/18/2024 @ 08:07am

Having top 10 hits is a threshold. If both acts have them, you can compare them in other fields to determine who is more famous. However, if you do not have a top 10 hit, it indicates that you lack popular listeners and are not transcending beyond your genre, and you have a genre-based cult following.

For example, Nirvana only has one top 10 hit, while the Goo Goo Dolls have three. They both have top 10 hits, and yes, we can claim that Nirvana is more famous or 'mainstream,' as Nirvana has advantages in other factors. However, if you compare the Goo Goo Dolls with Rage Against the Machine or Soundgarden, the Goo Goo Dolls are indeed more famous and mainstream than Soundgarden and Rage. Past inductees like Bon Jovi, Lionel Richie, Dolly Parton, Stevie Wonder, and Janet Jackson are more likely to vote for the Goo Goo Dolls than Soundgarden or Rage Against the Machine as Goo Goo Dolls is more mainstream.

Posted by Alec on Sunday, 02/18/2024 @ 08:19am

Lol again Chris Gaines is more mainstream than Garth Brooks.

I can't wait to hear how til Tuesday is more mainstream than rush

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 02/18/2024 @ 08:43am

Rush is huge "cult" band without any doubt and I do not need to explain it.

Posted by Alec on Sunday, 02/18/2024 @ 09:31am

Alex

No but what you need to explain how til Tuesday is more mainstream

Also why are you not talking about Chris Gaines? It's almost like that proves your point in bunk

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 02/18/2024 @ 10:09am

NGL I enjoy Til Tuesday lol

Posted by Guest on Sunday, 02/18/2024 @ 10:23am

Guest

Til Tuesday is great but they are not more mainstream than rush and not by a longshot.